In home water storage for RODI and saltwater

[wkjames]

Does anyone have a good business tie to Indelco or to Norwesco (In St. Bonifacius) I think I may have found the perfect Water storage tank for my needs: 105 gallons, round, vertical 23" diameter by 63" tall with a bulkhead at the bottom and a 8" opening at the top. http://www.norwesco.com/PDF/LSTVert105.pdf
I am considering buying 2 (one for RODI and one for saltwater mixing) I really like the small footprint they take up, and the large size relatively.

Indelco has offered me a discount through my employer, at a picked up cost of $132.56 + tax each at their location in St. Louis Park. This is a nice discount off of the Web advertised price, but I am wondering if anyone has a stronger relationship than my employer does (though we are physically close, we don't do much business with them) that would get a better price. Here is a link to the Indelco listing. The .PDF above is a better representation of the actual tank than the picture on the Indelco site, as all of the tanks of this brand / style show the same picture of a 500 gallon tank. http://www.indelco.com/p-15380-nor1.aspx

I tried contacting Norwesco (the tank mfg.) directly, but they only sell through distributors.

If others look and are interested, I would be happy to try to arrange a bulk buy to see if we can negotiate something better.
Indelco says: 10 or more, 123.09 each, 20 or more $113.62

[coldwaterreefer]

looks like a geat deal for the volume and the space it takes up. thanks for looking into this kelly!

[morty]

Just FYI - I've found that the prices on the web are always a lot higher than what they will charge to a person (me) making an individual purchase. I get their part # off their website, and call the Mpls (St. Louis Park) office, and ask for the city desk. (I think this just rolls you to the next available salesperson.) I tell them I would like to make a purchase under my name and CC# and they never bat an eye. IOW you don't need a business account with them to buy from them.

I am sure that a business account would get better pricing, I'll PM about this.

[wkjames]

Just FYI - I've found that the prices on the web are always a lot higher than what they will charge to a person (me) making an individual purchase. I get their part # off their website, and call the Mpls (St. Louis Park) office, and ask for the city desk. (I think this just rolls you to the next available salesperson.) I tell them I would like to make a purchase under my name and CC# and they never bat an eye. IOW you don't need a business account with them to buy from them.

I am sure that a business account would get better pricing, I'll PM about this.

The business issue is to get a better price. Norwesco doesn't take direct sales, but Indelco does. I've bought there too.

[rihanssu]

if you can get a group buy going i might be down for 3 of these

[wkjames]

price break at 10, we're halfway then...

[rihanssu]

talk to spazz about a discount i think he frequents there

[wkjames]

Thanks, I'll do that!

[patent]

Nevermind, now I see the edit to the first post above, on the price breaks.

[Chris Goetz]

:doh:
Anyone else see the tapered neck and think this would make a massive skimmer if you put one a dart needlewheel on it?

[wkjames]

I never considered it, but you are right. I had to go out to the yard at Indelco to find these, and having looked at it in person, it could be made to work.

[ksarauer]

James, does this come with a stand of some sort or is there a stand available for one?

[wkjames]

I can't imagine needing a stand, they are freestanding, kind of like a hot water heater and are designed to sit on the floor. They hold 105 gallons of water totaling nearly 1000 pounds of weight. I suppose a stand could be built, but I might worry about making it strong enough and not making it too top heavy.

[ksarauer]

It looks like the lower drain is in the middle, on the bottom. If it's sitting on the floor, how do you plan on getting plumbing from the drain to your tank? Are you planning on going through the side or top? I also would be concerned about making a stand strong enough

Maybe I'm overlooking something??

[Goldpony75]

It wouldnt be that hard to make a stand for one of those, The tank is just over 5 feet tall so unless you have high ceilings the stand could only be about three feet max. with the stand made right it wouldnt be any more top heavy then it is alone.

[wkjames]

It looks like the lower drain is in the middle, on the bottom. If it's sitting on the floor, how do you plan on getting plumbing from the drain to your tank? Are you planning on going through the side or top? I also would be concerned about making a stand strong enough

Maybe I'm overlooking something??

Here's my plan:
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w209/peskydragon/Aquarium%20build/tank.jpg

[coldwaterreefer]

nice plan!

[David Grigor]

I'd T off the RO/DI output to both buckets, it's nice not be 100% empty of fresh ro/di when you go to mix some SW up. Just in case you need some before it can fill back up.

I'm personally not too fond of having a narrow neck. I like to clean out the ro/di container every so often because a film does develop on the inside walls, I like to be able to bleach and wipe it down at least once a year. Saltwater container gets even dirtier over time, may be hard to get in there and wipe it down.

Therefore even if it takes up more room, i'd rather have wider rather than taller tanks without a neck.

When I had the 320g tank going, I never felt the need for anything more than 55g drums and a whole lot cheaper.

[wkjames]

I looked into 55 gallon drums... I decided against them because new drums were nearly as expensive, and used drums seemed like a bad idea. I want the larger water volume so I could do a larger water change, less often. The teeing off is probably a good idea, and is certainly cheap and easy enough to do. Thanks for the suggestion David! As for cleaning, the worst case scenario, is that I eventually cut off the tapered top, which wouldn't be hard, but I'm hoping I won't need to and can get away with buying one of those micro-fiber mops and using that for the areas I can't reach.



FWIW, they have a 75 gallon that is the same in all dimensions except shorter that was in the $80-90 range.

[morty]

I'm assuming the line at the bottom, connected by 3-way valves, is only to allow for getting pure water pumped upstairs? Can't think of what else it would be for. I would think if you wanted to have a pure water bucket filling station you could put a 3-way on the water transfer line after the small pump, like you did after the large pump. (btw if you don't have the pumps yet, I have a few I'm trying to get rid of that you can look at, used to varying degrees.)

Also, you might be able to eliminate the need for the large powerhead in the mixing tank, and have the large pump (that's used for getting water upstairs) double as your mixing pump. You could just connect the pump's outlet to the common input of a 3-way valve, and send one of the valve's outlets upstairs, and the other valve outlet loops back to a bulkhead on the mixing tank. Depending on the valve's position, it either sends it upstairs, or creates a pumping loop in the mixing tank.

[David Grigor]

Not for sure why used is a bad idea, food safe containers should not absorb anything. Now if they stored old motor oil or something in it that may be of concern trying to clean it all out. I got mine from my father in law who worked ( retired now ) as a chemical engineer for food products. I just don't see how that could ever be an issue. I've got 4 of them and been using for more than 8 years.

There's a post in the old forum of where people were getting them from for cheap. It I recall they had been used for pop syrup around the $20 range.

[rihanssu]

james, I'm planing a set up way similar to your? where in heights do you live? i run the pizza hut out there on 39th and central!

[wkjames]

Any other interest in these, or should I go ahead and look into an order for the 2 of us?

[morty]

Not from me -- I'm planning on using Brute containers. Thanks though :)

[wkjames]

I'm going to put together the group order on these now. Probably for pickup next Friday afternoon.

Interest expressed so far:

rihanssu 2 110 gallon
Morty 1 75 gallon
wkjames 2 110 gallon

Anyone else? Are those mentioned above still interested? Is the timing good?

[morty]

Changed my mind again.:doh: There isn't enough room in the area I was thinking of putting it.

[wkjames]

LOL, ok....

The 75 gallon is 23" diameter and 49" tall.

[wkjames]

65 gallon available too, 42" tall, 23" diameter

[wkjames]

rihanssu, did you want 2 or 3? you posted 3, but I could swear we had talked about 2. Was that someone else? Please help me remember.

[wkjames]

Does anyone have a good business tie to Indelco or to Norwesco (In St. Bonifacius) I think I may have found the perfect Water storage tank for my needs: 105 gallons, round, vertical 23" diameter by 63" tall with a bulkhead at the bottom and a 8" opening at the top. http://www.norwesco.com/PDF/LSTVert105.pdf
I am considering buying 2 (one for RODI and one for saltwater mixing) I really like the small footprint they take up, and the large size relatively.

Indelco has offered me a discount through my employer, at a picked up cost of $132.56 + tax each at their location in St. Louis Park. This is a nice discount off of the Web advertised price, but I am wondering if anyone has a stronger relationship than my employer does (though we are physically close, we don't do much business with them) that would get a better price. Here is a link to the Indelco listing. The .PDF above is a better representation of the actual tank than the picture on the Indelco site, as all of the tanks of this brand / style show the same picture of a 500 gallon tank. http://www.indelco.com/p-15380-nor1.aspx

I tried contacting Norwesco (the tank mfg.) directly, but they only sell through distributors.

If others look and are interested, I would be happy to try to arrange a bulk buy to see if we can negotiate something better.
Indelco says: 10 or more, 123.09 each, 20 or more $113.62

Any other interest in this? Sure would like to put something together soon.

[wkjames]

So, ok...
I've said this before, but this time I really mean it. I'd like to do this this week. Anyone else interested?

[MNGold15]

[QUOTE=wkjames;32075]Here's my plan:
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w209/peskydragon/Aquarium%20build/tank.jpg

Not sure if you have changed your mind on your plan or not yet, but I would consider "T"ing the saltwater back to the small pump to use it for continuous mixing, and of course put a ball valve on it. That way you could eliminate the powerhead that you would have to put in the mixing tank, and just run that small pump for circulation. JMO.

[Tifosi]

It appears to me that you want the ability to get ro/di or saltwater upstairs. If that's true, you may also want to put a drain at the pump so you can remove the water in the vertical going upstairs. i.e. you don't want 6' of saltwater in there when you need fresh water upstairs.

The other option would be to put the pump above the tanks and let them drain back into the appropriate tank. You'll need a self priming pump with that option.

Another thing that would save a little money would be to eliminate the small pump and pipe from the line that goes upstairs and just T and ball valve to the salt tank. You'll have to be careful you know what valves are open and where your flow is going or you could have a mess.

Just some somewhat random thoughts.

[Tifosi]

Looking at your pic and my suggestion, I would do a manifold with all the ball valves lined up for the output from the main pump. That way you can visually see what's going to get water pumped.

Here's my idea...I updated it to use gravity and your bucket station to clear the vertical to upstairs. Then just close the upstairs valve and flush the lower portion. Close the bucket station and you have only the water you intended to go upstairs. You could also use the big pump to mix your salt water on occasion by just opening the salt out valve and the salt in valve.

http://www.nephronracing.com\images\ebay\wkjames.jpg

[Tifosi]

One last thought, maybe a check valve somewhere between your ro and the pump. You wouldn't want saltwater getting in there in the event both salt out and ro out were open and one tank had more volume.

[wkjames]

Not sure if you have changed your mind on your plan or not yet, but I would consider "T"ing the saltwater back to the small pump to use it for continuous mixing, and of course put a ball valve on it. That way you could eliminate the powerhead that you would have to put in the mixing tank, and just run that small pump for circulation. JMO.

It appears to me that you want the ability to get ro/di or saltwater upstairs. If that's true, you may also want to put a drain at the pump so you can remove the water in the vertical going upstairs. i.e. you don't want 6' of saltwater in there when you need fresh water upstairs.

The other option would be to put the pump above the tanks and let them drain back into the appropriate tank. You'll need a self priming pump with that option.

Another thing that would save a little money would be to eliminate the small pump and pipe from the line that goes upstairs and just T and ball valve to the salt tank. You'll have to be careful you know what valves are open and where your flow is going or you could have a mess.

Just some somewhat random thoughts.

Looking at your pic and my suggestion, I would do a manifold with all the ball valves lined up for the output from the main pump. That way you can visually see what's going to get water pumped.

Here's my idea...I updated it to use gravity and your bucket station to clear the vertical to upstairs. Then just close the upstairs valve and flush the lower portion. Close the bucket station and you have only the water you intended to go upstairs. You could also use the big pump to mix your salt water on occasion by just opening the salt out valve and the salt in valve.

http://www.nephronracing.com\images\ebay\wkjames.bmp

Good thoughts gents. your pic is blocked here at work, so I'll have to review it when I return home later.

MNGold, you are the second person to make that suggestion. I think it is a good one. My main concerns involve not letting salt into my RODI tank. I have done some tweaking of my original concept, thanks in large part to the feedback from everyone here, and some thinking in the time since. I'll post my amended plan when I can.

As to the self priming pump, any suggestions on a pump that would self prime a 20' head? (16' of actual rise, but 55' of length of plumbing, storage to tank.)

[wkjames]

ok, now the pic has shown up... Good ideas! Would eliminate the need for the 3 way valves (which are rather spendy). I'll ponder this a bit.

[Tifosi]

I didn't notice that it was saved as a .bmp. Quite large, changed it to a .jpg.

ok, now the pic has shown up... Good ideas! Would eliminate the need for the 3 way valves (which are rather spendy). I'll ponder this a bit.

[spectrum]

I would'nt cut off the tapered end, its probably there to add strength to the top, maybe you can just open the hole on the top a little wider???

[hypertech]

Did you ever order these? If not, how much for the 65 gallon? Is that the smallest one?

[wkjames]

yes I did. I picked them up on Friday as a matter of fact...

For the size you want, I think it was $80-90. http://www.indelco.com/pc-15379-1866-nor1.aspx
The number there is 952-925-5075. I work next door to there, if you need me to pick up for you, LMK.

[Goldpony75]

There are thses ons too a little spendy but kind of cool.
http://www.indelco.com/c-1875-norwesco-applicator-tank.aspx

[wkjames]

I looked at a lot of styles before deciding for myself. I weighted my decision mostly on floorspace. I wanted something that held a lot, but would not be likely to take over my whole basement.

As to cost, they usually mark down the prices quite a bit in person.

[Dhummel]

i've been looking for like a 30 gallon, haven't had much luck, if anyone know where i can find one that would be great, i did check indelco as well.

[smeese]

How much for 2 65 gallon ones? Sorry I got too tired of reading

[smeese]

Nevermind order is over but thanks for the contact info/.;

[wkjames]

i've been looking for like a 30 gallon, haven't had much luck, if anyone know where i can find one that would be great, i did check indelco as well.

30 gallon is frequently used for sprayer applications and is available lots of places:

http://www.indelco.com/searchadv.aspx?IsSubmit=true&SearchTerm=30+gal&SearchDescriptions=1&ProductTypeID=0&CategoryID=0&ManufacturerID=0&ShowPics=1&MinPrice=&MinPrice_vldt=%5Bnumber%5D%5Binvalidalert%3DPlease +enter+a+valid+currency+amount%2C+e.g.+10.00+witho ut+the+leading+%24+sign%21%5D&MaxPrice=&MaxPrice_vldt=%5Bnumber%5D%5Binvalidalert%3DPlease +enter+a+valid+currency+amount%2C+e.g.+10.00+witho ut+the+leading+%24+sign%21%5D

http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DisplayCategory_10551_10001_140412_14396__14345|14 384|14396

http://www.fleetfarm.com/

I'd suggest going to indelco in person to look in the warehouse and the storage yard to find the right shape for you, and get a quote.

[Dhummel]

thank you for all the places to shop, i'll check them out.