110 XH Build [Archive]

RogersCG

10-29-2007, 12:03 AM

OK, I've been working on this for a few months and finally have it in the house and about 90% complete.

Stand design from a RC thread and modified to meet my needs:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/110Stand1.jpg

Notched 4X4s in the corners recessed so the weight of the tank is supported on the bottom and top boxes and not the 4X4s themselves:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/110Stand2.jpg

Painted with marine white inside and stained Dark Walnut outside:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/110Stand5.jpg

Detail of trim cap I routed:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/110Stand6.jpg

Drilled Tank:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DrillingTank2.jpg

Drawer and shelf (100 lb capacity slides):
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/Drawers_1.jpg

Sump build:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1529.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1530.jpg

Overflow:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1535.jpg

Plumbing testing and design:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1538.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1540.jpg

Hood design:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1563.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1565.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1566.jpg

And finally water and sand in today:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1611.jpg

There is still some staining and finish work to be done on the hood but I finally see an end in sight!!

Chris

mattb

10-29-2007, 12:10 AM

Looking really good! Nice woodworking - love the drawers!

patent

10-29-2007, 12:13 AM

Looks great. I agree on the drawer and shelf, love to have that, its a good idea.

patent

jon_56048

10-29-2007, 12:14 AM

:biggthumpup: Looking good :EX: Got ? for you though whats with the 2 other bulk head on the top ? and I'm loving the trays for work station :nixon:

RogersCG

10-29-2007, 11:37 AM

:biggthumpup: Looking good :EX: Got ? for you though whats with the 2 other bulk head on the top ? and I'm loving the trays for work station :nixon:

Thanks Jon,

I think you are seeing the magnets holding the Koralia 4 powerheads in the upper back corners. There is just the two center 1 1/2" bulkheads in the over flow area.

Chris

Zibba

10-29-2007, 01:49 PM

Chris,

Awesome to see your work! Really coming along great! The stand really looks good.

RogersCG

10-29-2007, 09:06 PM

The best laid plans......

The tank is coming down and going in the basement....

After I started filling it with water I became increasingly concerned with the floor joists supporting this much weight... After a brief discussion with my wife we decided the basement is safer. Unfortunately the basement is also our bedroom so sound is definitely going to be an issue... I'm hoping it is quiet... It was fairly quiet in the garage and I cleaned the Mag 9.5 that had a bit of calcium build up. I'm hoping when it's enclosed and against the wall it will be hardly noticeable... We'll soon see...

Goldpony75

10-29-2007, 09:11 PM

Is the basement ceiling below where you were going to put the tank unfinished? could always add a header if its not finished. just a thought.The best laid plans......

The tank is coming down and going in the basement....

After I started filling it with water I became increasingly concerned with the floor joists supporting this much weight... After a brief discussion with my wife we decided the basement is safer. Unfortunately the basement is also our bedroom so sound is definitely going to be an issue... I'm hoping it is quiet... It was fairly quiet in the garage and I cleaned the Mag 9.5 that had a bit of calcium build up. I'm hoping when it's enclosed and against the wall it will be hardly noticeable... We'll soon see...

RogersCG

10-29-2007, 09:18 PM

Good thought but it's completely finished... The entire basement is. I'm really not looking forward to moving this but I've got the majority of the water drained into the water container downstairs now. I guess on the bright side the basement will stay warmer this winter with the 2X400 Watt MH lights running during the day... ;)

Zibba

10-29-2007, 09:27 PM

Few questions:
What are the dimensions of the 110xh & sump below? Where did you end up going to get the glass cut for the baffles? Have you decided on doors for the stand yet?

I think you're making a good decision to move the tank. I went through the same thing late August. It's much more reassuring knowing that you aren't going to come home to a huge hole in your ceiling!

RogersCG

10-29-2007, 09:38 PM

I got the glass cut at Glass & Mirror Inc in St Paul. I emailed half a dozen places locally that were convenient to home and work and they were the most responsive and had the best prices. I wasn't disappointed with the work.

My order was (I happen to have the email handy):

17 3/8" x 12" - Qty 3 $33.72

17 3/8" x 13" - Qty 1 $13.11

24" x 7" - Qty 1 $8.74

5" x 7" - Qty 2 $5.00

24" x 5 1/4" - Qty 1 $7.49

For 68.06 out the door. This was the overflow and dividers.

The tank is 48 x 18 x 31 and the sump is a 40 breeder (36 X 18 X 16).

I think for the short term I'm going to do what you did with the material over the front but I plan on doing my own custom doors once I can get the funds together for the router bits... and learn how to make doors. ;)

RogersCG

10-29-2007, 09:46 PM

Zibba

10-29-2007, 10:25 PM

Reducing distance that you have to carry water while increasing room for equipment sounds like a win win!

Did you decide to go with the Tunze 9010? Which light set up are you going with (or maybe you already have it set up and that's for later in the thread)?

RogersCG

10-29-2007, 10:39 PM

Putting it in the basement does open quite a few more options!

I am going to go with the 9010...

I have 2x400 Watt MH HQI PFO Ballast. Nothing to supplement yet. Still haven't figured that out. I'm thinking just the MH's to start and maybe some moon lights. I might add some T5s or VHOs once I get it running.

RogersCG

11-01-2007, 01:12 PM

Interesting turn of events since it was decided to move the 110 into the basement. My wife thinks we should go ahead and keep the 29 upstairs that we were planning on selling.... Sucks... ;)

So... 29 gallon clownfish and softie tank I'm thinking... Now, of course I need more live rock and am bummed I didn't get David's 9002 for it..

hypertech

11-01-2007, 01:51 PM

am bummed I didn't get David's 9002 for it..

Don't be. I thought the reason David sold it is because it wasn't enough for his 29 gallon softy tank. Besides, its happy here :)

morty

11-01-2007, 05:25 PM

Looking very nice- Ditto on the clever drawer idea!

If you think the Mag pump is too noisy, look into the Ocean Runner pumps. I think they're well-built and come at a decent price, and they're also quiet. Plus they come with a suction cup base to dampen vibrations.

RogersCG

11-05-2007, 08:49 PM

We will soon see if this Mag 9.5 is quiet enough... I'm guessing it isn't going to be... Which would be the equivalent Ocean Runner and who might have the best prices?

morty

11-05-2007, 09:00 PM

Looks like the 9.5 is somewhere between the OR 3500 and 6500 in performance. For a 110 I would probably go with the 6500. Dirk sells them, he has price matched the mail-order and online prices in the past.

mattb

11-05-2007, 09:01 PM

i use a mag 9 for a return. I can't hear it over the wavebox and the vortechs.

RogersCG

11-05-2007, 09:30 PM

i use a mag 9 for a return. I can't hear it over the wavebox and the vortechs.

I don't have either of those so I really don't have a reference... It has to be quiet enough for us to sleep in the same room. I do have two Koralia 4s on it and the drone of these do not seem to be too bad. If is it right around that volume I think we'll be fine. I'm about a 1/2" from water reaching the top of the overflow so I should know here in about an hour... ;) I am hoping my plumping isn't too noisy either. It wasn't too bad in the garage with concrete floors and open from the back. Is saltwater quieter than fresh? Odd question I know... Thinking out loud again.

mattb

11-05-2007, 09:37 PM

I think you'll be fine. If anything you'll hear water draining or sloshing... We can hear the surge device empty in our laundry room from our bedroom... No complaints yef (knock on wood)

Taklu

11-06-2007, 12:15 AM

I think you'll be fine. If anything you'll hear water draining or sloshing... We can hear the surge device empty in our laundry room from our bedroom... No complaints yef (knock on wood)

Agree, the mag 9 was quiet..onky heard the water all the time so replaced it with a Ehiem since mine is a small tank.

P.S. Mag 9 up for sale.

RogersCG

11-07-2007, 08:36 AM

I can definately hear the Mag 9 but I was able to sleep just fine last night. No complaints from the wife either. There is a little noise from the plumbing also but I might be able to remedy some of that. I have the flow through the sup fairly slow at the moment. I'm guessing maybe 2-300 GPH. I figure this should be fine.

I have one issue when I turn the flow up. It tends to flush. The overflow fills slowly up to almost the top then it flushes and fills up the sump only to do it again in about 30 seconds. I'm thinking the Sch 80 elbows I put in the overflow are too close to the bottom of the glass. I may need to cut about a 1/4" to 1/2" off them. Not looking forward to that. Seems dangerous cutting a small round 1 1/2" elbow.

Here is the latest pic with it in it's final resting place and full of water... Finally...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1615.jpg

Goldpony75

11-07-2007, 08:38 AM

Try sanding it with a belt sander. If you can put the belt sander upside down on a table and use it like a bench sander. Works great!
I can definately hear the Mag 9 but I was able to sleep just fine last night. No complaints from the wife either. There is a little noise from the plumbing also but I might be able to remedy some of that. I have the flow through the sup fairly slow at the moment. I'm guessing maybe 2-300 GPH. I figure this should be fine.

I have one issue when I turn the flow up. It tends to flush. The overflow fills slowly up to almost the top then it flushes and fills up the sump only to do it again in about 30 seconds. I'm thinking the Sch 80 elbows I put in the overflow are too close to the bottom of the glass. I may need to cut about a 1/4" to 1/2" off them. Not looking forward to that. Seems dangerous cutting a small round 1 1/2" elbow.

Here is the latest pic with it in it's final resting place and full of water... Finally...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1615.jpg

RogersCG

11-07-2007, 08:44 AM

mtfatwork

11-07-2007, 08:49 AM

Good idea Goldpony. Excuse to buy another tool! Sweet!! Do you think the flushing I am getting is caused by the elbows being too long? I am just guessing but it is the only real change I've made since bringing it in from the garage.

flushing sounds and the rising of water is from air lock. I am not sure how you have it plumbed but if you have a durso in the overflows, you can put either a T on the top or an elbow with a hole in the top (depending on your setup) you will give the air a way to escape so that does not happen.

RogersCG

11-07-2007, 08:51 AM

flushing sounds and the rising of water is from air lock. I am not sure how you have it plumbed but if you have a durso in the overflows, you can put either a T on the top or an elbow with a hole in the top (depending on your setup) you will give the air a way to escape so that does not happen.

Maybe the line going down into the tee and plumbing is down too far to release the air. I'll try to adjust that... Thanks Mary.

Looks like this, BTW:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1566.jpg

Chris Goetz

11-07-2007, 09:16 AM

It looks like you are using both drain lines and have them throttled down with valves before the sump.
Since you aren't running a huge volume through the sump you should be able to handle all the normal drain volume with one of your bulkheads.
I'd turn one of those 90's face up(provided it's still under the top of the overflow/tank ;) and use it as an emergency drain. Then you can adjust the valve on the normal drain line so the water flows to the sump without sucking in any air. And make sure your drain line is submerged in the sump. Then if your normal drain becomes blocked the emergency drain will keep the water flowing and will suck in air and make noise to let you know somethings amiss.

I do this on my office tank and it is silent with very, very few bubbles and salt spray. I have a 1.5" normal drain and 1" emergency and I run a mag 12(~25% to refugium). I can completely block my normal 1.5" drain and the 1" will still handle the entire volume without spilling a drop. :)

Here's the RC link to the thread: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=344892

Chris

RogersCG

11-07-2007, 09:26 AM

Thanks Chris. I'll read that thread when I get to the office. I did try what you suggested yesterday but the water rose to the emergency pretty quickly. Maybe I should have left it longer to stabilize or it is still that the Sch 80 elbows are too close to the bottom of the overflow restricting water volume. I really didn't expect the elbows to be this much longer than the standard white ones (that stood out like a sore thumb!).... I would guess there is a 1/4" from the bottom of the elbow to the bottom of the overflow glass right now. I think I am going to cut or sand at least one down and maybe do the upturned one on the other.

Silent is the goal!! ;)

mtfatwork

11-07-2007, 09:53 AM

you may need to bore out the holes a bit for the air. you can always put a sponge in them if you are worried about bubble popping.

RogersCG

11-07-2007, 10:29 PM

Mute point on the tank noise once I heard a crack from downstairs about three hours ago.....

Looks like it came from the hole which is odd... It was plenty low enough from the top and surrounded by an overflow which should have added to the strength. It was filled for almost two weeks in the garage running. When I came home tonight I flipped on the lights and an hour later is when I heard it. Fortunately it only had saltwater, eco rox and sand in it.

No idea....

I just wanna puke...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1619.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1620.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s65/RogersCG/Tank%20Build/DSC_1622.jpg

wolrey

11-07-2007, 10:48 PM

That completely sucks!!! :doh: Just when you were getting things fired up.

Jeff

RogersCG

11-07-2007, 11:02 PM

Yeah....

Thanks goodness I moved it downstairs where the carpet isn't new like upstairs where it originally was going to go.

mtfatwork

11-07-2007, 11:26 PM

I cant get my mouth to close!!!!

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek2: :shocked: :shocked:

OMG Chris, I am so sorry to see that. That is my worst nightmare right there.

Are you going to rebuild? You could just replace the bad payne, but, speaking as someone who has taken apart a glass tank, IMO it is not worth the hassle.

Zibba

11-07-2007, 11:52 PM

OMG Chris! Are you still married? Because I would be shot.

That definitely explains your absence from the meeting tonight...

Let me know if you need any help. I might be able to come by tomorrow if you need help moving that thing.

morty

11-08-2007, 01:18 AM

Yes, lmk too if you need any help, I'm sorry to see that happened!

If you decide to repair the tank, I have experience with cutting a glass tank apart and re-gluing it. If the mfgr left enough gap in the seams, it's not as difficult as it would seem to be.

RogersCG

11-08-2007, 07:28 AM

Thanks a lot guys.... I am still married. Ironically my wife was teaching a religion class at the neighbors house next door and I had stayed home with the kids. Had I not been here it could have been a major disaster. I was able to siphon out the majority of the water before it became a lake in the basement. Not sure the condition of the carpet underneath the stand yet. It is damp to walk on about a foot or two out around the stand. I would guess I lost 10-20 gallons onto the floor.

I'm not going to reuse this tank. I need some time to figure out what I wanna do. The stand and everything was built for this tank but I would guess/hope others should fit it also. This project may be on hold until spring now though. I'm not sure yet...

Thanks for the offers of help. Everything is pretty much emptied now. I can move the stand away from the wall myself and work on the carpet. I will let you know if I need anything.

Thanks again,
Chris

Adam G

11-08-2007, 07:28 AM

What a shame, I am so sorry man. That is a heartbreaker. Go out and get yourself another tank ASAP and get back on that horse. What else can you do? Consider it a temporary set back. I am sorry this happened to you.

Chris Goetz

11-08-2007, 01:03 PM

Man, that sucks. I hope it wasn't related to me suggesting you turn the 90's.... :|

If it helps, I can recommend someone to repair/replace the carpet pad as I just had a guy out this week to do mine. He did a great job(excepting 1 seam that he's coming back to fix) and was very reasonably priced.

Chris

RogersCG

11-08-2007, 01:12 PM

Thanks Chris.

Actually the spill doesn't seem to be near as bad as I first suspected. The stand was water tight inside the base so that caught several gallons and the sump filled catching another 11 or so. I was home so as soon as I realized what was going on I grabbed a 3/4 piece of spaflex and a 44 gallon trash can and started siphoning. I filled that trash can to the top then I filled 5 gallon bucket until the water stopped leaking. I shopvac'ed out the base and now have a carpet blower on it... I've been doing towels with buckets of sand on them to pull the water from the carpet this morning until I got the blower. There is more work to do but it's not looking too bad thus far.

Oh, and it had nothing to do with the 90s... ;)