Snowflake/B&W pair (ocellaris)

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    Breeding Journal DataSheet


    General
    Species: Snowflake/B&W pair (Amphiprion ocellaris)
    Common Name: Black Ice ocellaris
    Social Structure: pair
    Size of Individuals: 2.5" (female) 2" male
    Age of Individuals: 2.5 years
    Date added to Tank: 10/21/2011

    Broodstock Tank Details
    Size of Tank: 20H 24 1/4" x 12 1/2" x 16 3/4"
    Substrate Details: Bare bottom
    Filtration Details: Live rock, ATS in sump
    Water Changes: rarely, mostly by spilling it (so, lots of micro water changes)
    Water Temperature: 80F
    Salinity: 1.020
    Lighting: 4' fluorescent tube overhead
    Lighting Cycle: 14 on
    Salt Type: IO
    Other Tank Inhabitants: none

    Broodstock Feeding Details
    Food Types: Otohime C2 4x daily. Mysis occasionally
    Feeding Schedule: 4x daily

    Spawning Details
    Date of First Spawn: 2/28/2013
    Spawn Time of Day: unknown
    Dates of Consecutive Spawns: 3/13/2013, 3/25/2013
    Courtship Details: Largely hang out together, but less so than other clown pairs
    Egg Size: tiny
    Egg Color: orange, then black/brown, then silver
    Egg Count: `150

    Hatch Details
    Hatch Date: 3/07/2013; 3/20/2013
    Hatch Time of Day: 1 hour after lights out
    # Days after Spawn: 7
    Larvae Description: Small, black, darting


    Larval Tank Details
    Temperature: 80
    Size of Larval Tank: 10g 20 1/4" x 10 1/2" x 12 9/16"
    Substrate Details: BB
    Salinity: 1.020
    Other Tank Decor: none
    Filtration Details: none
    Salt Type: IO
    Lighting: 4' fluorescent bulb
    Lighting Cycle: 14 on
    Water Changes: daily after first couple days

    Larval Feeding Details
    Food Types: rotifers through day 9, BBS occasionally after day 7, otohime A day 2- remainder
    Feeding Schedule: try to do rotifers 3x daily, otohime 2x-4x daily

    Metamorphosis/Settlement
    Date of Settlement Start: 3/14/2013
    Days after Hatch: 8
    Date of Settlement End: 3/17/2013
    Description of Fry: wag tails like clowns, some white

    Grow-Out Tank Details
    Temperature: 81
    Size of Grow-Out Tank: 20Long 30 1/4" x 12 1/2" x 12 3/4"
    Substrate Details: BB
    Salinity: 1.020
    Other Tank Decor: algae
    Filtration Details: live rock
    Salt Type: IO
    Lighting: 4' fluorescent bulb overhead
    Lighting Cycle: 14 on
    Water Changes: rarely
    Size at Transfer: less than 1/2 inch?
    Age at Transfer: 30 days

    Grow-Out Feeding Details
    Food Types: otohime B2
    Feeding Schedule: 2-4 x daily

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    Congratulations! Great success!
     
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    Beautiful babies! Are they more of a Mocha color or are they just black or orange?
     
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    Thanks, submitted the mbi reports for spawn and hatch too.
     
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    I have a hard time telling. It looks like a mix to me, some are clearly snowflakes, some have more black than others. They need to be bigger before I'll be sure what they look like.

    The colors in the pic are a little washed out.
     
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    Thanks. Still very much the beginner.
     
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    That would be amazing if someone made Mocha Snowflakes. Hope your batch makes it all the way through!
     
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    Awesome! Give the kiddo's a high five for me!


    This cracked me up:

    Water Changes: rarely, mostly by spilling it (so, lots of micro water changes)
     
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    A few more details on the lighting. One of the things I've struggled with is how much light to give them. I've used the 4' t12 tubes I'm using now, CFL bulbs, led strips, etc. My goal is to have the majority of the larvae in the water column feeding. Too much light and they hit the bottom. Not enough light and they don't eat as they can't see it.

    I have an Apogee QMSW-SS par meter. Basic cheap handheld par meter. so what I'm doing now with light is that I have a LED strip over each shelf in my shelving unit. Its basically there so I can see what I'm doing while I prep tanks, etc., but it provides VERY little light, the par meter only reads 1 if I hold the sensor right under the LED, and reads zero down at the tanks. When I have larvae in the tanks on the shelf I add the 4' fluorescent tube. That reads about 47 on the par meter, give or take.

    On hatch night I add a standard light difusser. Its the kind of thing that comes in 2x4 sheets at Lowe's and is used in overhead drop ceilings, where you have the fluorescent tubes in the ceiling, and the clearish light diffusing tile in the false ceiling on top of the tank. (see pic). On top of that, and right underneath the 4' tube, I put a piece of cardboard to block 90% of the width of the tube. As a result, inside the 10g tank the apogee light meter reads 0 directly under the cardboard to 5 on the sides. During the first morning I start moving the cardboard, to the point where it reads 10 in some spots as more light is let in. The fish seem to be feeding fine there, and staying in the water column. As the day goes on, I keep moving it over until the reading gets up to 30 in the brightest spots - so long as the larvae stay in the water column
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    lighting by patentfish, on Flickr

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    lighting (2) by patentfish, on Flickr


    By day 3 the cardboard is removed entirely
     
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    To arrive at lighting I reviewed a bunch of other reports to see what others did, but had a hard time quantifying how much light they actually used. I did find one report where he indicated he used a standard 10g tank, with one of the cheap freshwater light hoods. In that he used 1 15 w incandescent on days 1-2, and the 2nd 15 W after that. I have one of these hoods so I took one light, and measured its par. It gets to 50 if the sensor is right up under the bulb, but down at the water level of a full tank its typically about 40. In a half full tank, I measured 30 at the water's edge. If I recall correctly he does the one bulb this way so that there are light gradients, and the larvae can choose to be on the more lit side or the less lit side, depending on their needs. I'm trying to do this as well with the cardboard, as I have sections in the tank (directly underneath the cardboard) with very little light, and sections with more light to the sides.
     
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    Finally a current pic. Some snowflake, some regular ocellaris patterns.

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    P1020155 by patentfish, on Flickr
     
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    This is really awesome! I subscribed to follow your progress. After messing around with some basic rotifers, and pod cultures I really would like to breed down the road. Love how puzzling, yet how rewarding this is. Good luck!


    another thing that made me chuckle "Other Tank Decor: algae" :gay1:
     
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    Please let me know if you will have any of these little guys for sale in the future!
     
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    Be happy to. I think they need at least another month before they are big enough.
     

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