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that's going trap a lot detritus.
why do durso on the back up? you dont want the back up to be silent when the main drain is plugged for forever reason. i just use straight pipe for my back up.
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why do durso on the back up? you dont want the back up to be silent when the main drain is plugged for forever reason. i just use straight pipe for my back up.
It's a full bean animal setup. Typically beans are done with a shallow external overflow, I wanted the tank close to the wall so I'm trying internal bean animal overflow setup. Beans are basically a hybrid herbie/durso combos. My theory is the bends on the top point the suction downward allowing higher water levels in the overflow. The 3rd dry emergency with upturn bend I struggled with why not jus to straight there. I concluded that the noise from the sump (it echoes up through the plumbing rather efficiently) would be reduced with the bends causing the sound waves to diminish.
If I hate it, can go to a herbie with my service drain in very short order.
Downstairs drains replumbed. Tomorrow aquascaping and fill 1/2 full and make more water. Eta on being filled would be Wednesday.
If I hate it, can go to a herbie with my service drain in very short order.
Downstairs drains replumbed. Tomorrow aquascaping and fill 1/2 full and make more water. Eta on being filled would be Wednesday.
Raise the full siphon tube to a height where water drops very little.. pretty much you are filling up the overflow box. this will keep it quite except for the occasional wave that causes change in flow. by raising the full siphon the height between primary and the secondary will be very little to the extent that some water may go down the secondary but not enough to turn a full siphon.
Also the overflow box will not trap much detritus if the flow is sufficient.. atleast not significant enough to cause issues or require cleaning it by siphoning
Agree with DG.. you want strainers atleast on the backups and agree with Li - a durso doesnt make sense in this setup either.
PS - never mind my post - I read your last post above after I posted above- if you go the route of a full herbie over a durso.. what I mentioned will work.. same principle as you are thinking - higher water level
Also the overflow box will not trap much detritus if the flow is sufficient.. atleast not significant enough to cause issues or require cleaning it by siphoning
Agree with DG.. you want strainers atleast on the backups and agree with Li - a durso doesnt make sense in this setup either.
PS - never mind my post - I read your last post above after I posted above- if you go the route of a full herbie over a durso.. what I mentioned will work.. same principle as you are thinking - higher water level
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I run a full syphon with straight pipes. I tried elbows on them and they wouldn't self start very well. I was afraid the tank could overflow before the syphon started so removed them. I jused tall pipes and you can not hear the water flowing at all.
Got water in it at least, and flowing.
Changes between v1.0 and v1.1
- No sand, 3/8 HDPE base. Right now, best decision yet.
Long to do list still as always:
- Re-position light to be centered (3" too far back now", assuming I don't buy lights in the near future.
- Build spire on far right hand side
- Re do drains. Ain't bad but thinking of getting that water level in the box higher
- Figure out flow in the 450g, educators or fans for returns
- Quiet down Jebao WP 60's
- Finalize basement return plumbing. Trying to get a little more energy efficient, thinking of replacing Iwaki 100 with a Jebao DC 12000 for ATS/75g/180g supply leaving a Pan World 200 to supply 450g via educators.
- Get something in the house which eats aptashia
- Figure out what I'm doing to stand skinning
- Get new center brace from Miracles, figure out if this lid idea is good or a bust
- Upsize ATS to 36" screen/lights
- Get a monster skimmer
- Get some new fish in QT
- Ohh... move some fish upstairs!!!
Changes between v1.0 and v1.1
- No sand, 3/8 HDPE base. Right now, best decision yet.
Long to do list still as always:
- Re-position light to be centered (3" too far back now", assuming I don't buy lights in the near future.
- Build spire on far right hand side
- Re do drains. Ain't bad but thinking of getting that water level in the box higher
- Figure out flow in the 450g, educators or fans for returns
- Quiet down Jebao WP 60's
- Finalize basement return plumbing. Trying to get a little more energy efficient, thinking of replacing Iwaki 100 with a Jebao DC 12000 for ATS/75g/180g supply leaving a Pan World 200 to supply 450g via educators.
- Get something in the house which eats aptashia
- Figure out what I'm doing to stand skinning
- Get new center brace from Miracles, figure out if this lid idea is good or a bust
- Upsize ATS to 36" screen/lights
- Get a monster skimmer
- Get some new fish in QT
- Ohh... move some fish upstairs!!!
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Move up stairs, basically anyone not aggressive/I want to get comfortable in the tank before moving the pricks in:
Semilarvatus butterfly
Regal angel
Achilles tank
Blonde naso tang
Blue tank (hope I don't regret this, he's all bark and no bite)
Pair Maldives Lyretail Anthias
Flame hawk
Starry blennie
Magnificent Foxface
Bulk of the idiots still downstairs.
Wholly crap I'm tired, been fitting fish tanking in at every waking/available moment past week.
Done today:
- Centered light
- Converted to a Herbie drain, with strainer. Overall still tweaking but it's pretty quiet.
- Managed to get 2x Tunze 6105's to stick (stupid 3/4" rates magnets which don't work on 3/4 glass)
- Apex EB installed up stairs
- WP 60's programs each side on ever 4 hours with overlap, Tunzes have their program doing their own thing. Currently on lowest level due to noise, might bump up but with me/wife sleeping in this room due to kid it's not something to push right now
- Pretty sure will stick with fan returns, educators ripple the surface causing noise
Next- I don't know. List is around here somewhere.
Screwed up a Liveaquaria order, Tuesday delivery instead of Saturday. Not sure if I'm going to keep the order in place since I'm pretty sure they sold out of the fish I really wanted.
Sometime I should tell the wife how much I spent this Black Friday...
Semilarvatus butterfly
Regal angel
Achilles tank
Blonde naso tang
Blue tank (hope I don't regret this, he's all bark and no bite)
Pair Maldives Lyretail Anthias
Flame hawk
Starry blennie
Magnificent Foxface
Bulk of the idiots still downstairs.
Wholly crap I'm tired, been fitting fish tanking in at every waking/available moment past week.
Done today:
- Centered light
- Converted to a Herbie drain, with strainer. Overall still tweaking but it's pretty quiet.
- Managed to get 2x Tunze 6105's to stick (stupid 3/4" rates magnets which don't work on 3/4 glass)
- Apex EB installed up stairs
- WP 60's programs each side on ever 4 hours with overlap, Tunzes have their program doing their own thing. Currently on lowest level due to noise, might bump up but with me/wife sleeping in this room due to kid it's not something to push right now
- Pretty sure will stick with fan returns, educators ripple the surface causing noise
Next- I don't know. List is around here somewhere.
Screwed up a Liveaquaria order, Tuesday delivery instead of Saturday. Not sure if I'm going to keep the order in place since I'm pretty sure they sold out of the fish I really wanted.
Sometime I should tell the wife how much I spent this Black Friday...
Make sure that a Jebao DC 12000 will handle the head height of a basement sump if you decide to go DC. From what I could find it looks like it stops pumping at around 5 meters (about 16') head height. The Iwaki goes to something like 40'.
Now is the time for a copper band?
Picked one up from Fragtastic Reef, died within 5 hours in QT tank. It didn't eat in the store and was small/thin, for the $26 bucks it was an easy dice roll. I have one on order from Liveaquaria in the Tuesday order should I keep the order. Really should just order one from Divers Den for $70 since it's known to be eating, I don't have much time to screw around with challenging fish. Have a Saddlleback butterfly in the order too, it's sold out now too so doubt it will ship. One missed button screws up a fish order... and likely saved my $350 bucks
The filefish which I stopped feeding to encourage him to eat aptiasia hasn't started eating any, I broke down and feed him a little after a week. The bulgeria nudibranch order deal was a total bust for me.
Picked up a Blue Line angel, cool looking fish. Feisty.
Jebao DC 12000 would be for the basement tanks only, 180g/75g/ATS. Odds are if I upsized the ATS to 36" I'd need a pump just for it.
Moved the rest of the mob squad up yesterday, basically back where I started fish wise. Sohal tang left down stairs (never been in DT) as I'll move him up when the Powder Blue comes up (in QT).
Losses in my swap:
Sunburst anthias- no idea what happened to him
Lineatus Fairy Wrasse- that one sucks. Was fine, one day hunched over in a corner in the 180. Made it another 2 days and that was it. Hunch is perhaps he hit the lid too hard and messed up his spin
Midas blennie- not sure, DOA this am in the DT, put him in yesterday. Has been acting weird for the last week or two downstairs, was a little nicked up. Have a blue midas blennie in the DT, not sure if he went rogue.
Knew there was going to be some losses in a move going into this, hopefully this is it. Everyone is a little nicked up, recovering well already.
Next:
QT punks- Get these guys in the DT: Blue line angel, Juvi Chrysurus Angel, Flameback angel, Powder Blue tang, Copperband butterfly, Saddleback butterfly. I might leave the butterfly's down stairs if they eat aiptasia.
Will most likely do another round of fish, small guys- schooling chromis perhaps, basslets, anthias, dottybacks, and maybe a goldflake angel.
Corals- screwed these up pretty good. Phosphate jumped to 1.09 after 800 gallons of water changes and additions - WTF? Guessing the big piece of shelf rock did it. I debated acid bathing it but would have been hard to find a container it fit in. Plus I was so tired then the thought of dealing with a large vat of acid was not appealing. Plus with all the aiptasia of corals they are not looking so hot. Yea for LaCl3, down to "sane" phosphate levels now. On the plus side, the Semilarvatus started eating aiptasia in the DT (90% is new reef saver rock from BRS, some live rock he eat up)
Lights- Need to figure out lights. 2x ATI hybrids or 3-4 Mitras is current thinking.
Skimmer- Thinking of getting a monster skimmer. Can't get my head around a good phosphate control method- monster skimmer, up sizing ATS, up sizing fuge. Frankly none of those methods work for the bio load/feeding I have. Today's theory is either a settling tank & LaCl3 dosing, or a monster skimmer and LaCl3 dosing. Something low on the maintenance side is my hope.
Losses in my swap:
Sunburst anthias- no idea what happened to him
Lineatus Fairy Wrasse- that one sucks. Was fine, one day hunched over in a corner in the 180. Made it another 2 days and that was it. Hunch is perhaps he hit the lid too hard and messed up his spin
Midas blennie- not sure, DOA this am in the DT, put him in yesterday. Has been acting weird for the last week or two downstairs, was a little nicked up. Have a blue midas blennie in the DT, not sure if he went rogue.
Knew there was going to be some losses in a move going into this, hopefully this is it. Everyone is a little nicked up, recovering well already.
Next:
QT punks- Get these guys in the DT: Blue line angel, Juvi Chrysurus Angel, Flameback angel, Powder Blue tang, Copperband butterfly, Saddleback butterfly. I might leave the butterfly's down stairs if they eat aiptasia.
Will most likely do another round of fish, small guys- schooling chromis perhaps, basslets, anthias, dottybacks, and maybe a goldflake angel.
Corals- screwed these up pretty good. Phosphate jumped to 1.09 after 800 gallons of water changes and additions - WTF? Guessing the big piece of shelf rock did it. I debated acid bathing it but would have been hard to find a container it fit in. Plus I was so tired then the thought of dealing with a large vat of acid was not appealing. Plus with all the aiptasia of corals they are not looking so hot. Yea for LaCl3, down to "sane" phosphate levels now. On the plus side, the Semilarvatus started eating aiptasia in the DT (90% is new reef saver rock from BRS, some live rock he eat up)
Lights- Need to figure out lights. 2x ATI hybrids or 3-4 Mitras is current thinking.
Skimmer- Thinking of getting a monster skimmer. Can't get my head around a good phosphate control method- monster skimmer, up sizing ATS, up sizing fuge. Frankly none of those methods work for the bio load/feeding I have. Today's theory is either a settling tank & LaCl3 dosing, or a monster skimmer and LaCl3 dosing. Something low on the maintenance side is my hope.
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mapierce7
Senior Member
What a beast. Keep the updates coming.
Shopping time! Can't decide what direction to go, pretty much pick one of the below...
Skimmer & Phosphate control- master plan is Really big skimmer and drip LaCl into it. Maintenance free LaCl method, no 5-10 micron socks
Lighting- Either 2x ATI Powermodule Hybrid 8 bulb units -or- 3 or 4 Mitras units. I'm all over the map on lighting, metal halide sounds good some days.
Generator- Install a natural gas generator (in theory I may be able to talk the wife into this and have it not be *all* fish money expenses)
I have lots of other smaller projects to do (ATS size increase, mixing station, pump changes, extra WP-60's, skinning the stand) but right now I'm trying to knock off one of the big ticket items. I can't really go SPS crazy without both those items (phosphate control/skimmer or lighting) and I have something of each... just can't decide which one to go nuts on.
Skimmer & Phosphate control- master plan is Really big skimmer and drip LaCl into it. Maintenance free LaCl method, no 5-10 micron socks
Lighting- Either 2x ATI Powermodule Hybrid 8 bulb units -or- 3 or 4 Mitras units. I'm all over the map on lighting, metal halide sounds good some days.
Generator- Install a natural gas generator (in theory I may be able to talk the wife into this and have it not be *all* fish money expenses)
I have lots of other smaller projects to do (ATS size increase, mixing station, pump changes, extra WP-60's, skinning the stand) but right now I'm trying to knock off one of the big ticket items. I can't really go SPS crazy without both those items (phosphate control/skimmer or lighting) and I have something of each... just can't decide which one to go nuts on.
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What is LaCl3?
Lanthanum chloride
Cliffs:
- Cheap
- Very effective
- Can kill all fish easily (tangs, drop in o2 levels)
- Can etch glass/acrylic
- Can shock/kill corals (drop phosphate too fast)
Pros and cons like everything else.
Remind her that if she kicks you out she has to maintain that tank....