KJo's IM 50 Lagoon AIO

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  1. KJoFan

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    I might as well get this build thread off the ground since the old tank is off to it's new home tomorrow...

    Here's a list of equipment for the new system as I know it for now:

    Tank: IM 50 Lagoon and APS stand
    Return: MightyJet Midsize
    Heater: BRS Titanium 300w
    Filtration: 2x inTank media baskets, IM Midsize Skimmer and eventually a Santa Monica Drop ATS
    Circulation: 2 AI Nero 5
    Lighting: 24" Aquatic Life fixture w/ Radion G4 Pro
    ATO: AutoAqua AWC plus ATO
    Controller: Neptune Apex EL BRS edition

    Live rock: KP Aquatics (more on this in another post)
    Sand: CaribSea Special Grade

    Livestock (moved from my current system):
    - 2x Bangaii cardinals
    - Brunneus Fairy wrasse
    - Potter's Leopard wrasse
    - Bipartitus Leopard wrasse
    - Yellow Eye Kole
    - Hooded Fairy wrasse
    - Copperband butterfly (still in QT so...maybe)
     
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    My rock ended up delayed and arrived a day late. It didn’t smell great so we’ll see. Not many high level hitchhikers made it alive and have all since died off. I was bummed it was delayed as I feel I missed the full effect, thanks UPS.

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    Unfortunately I experienced super high levels of ammonia so I’m worried all the good stuff died off. I was doing 100% water changes twice a day and still couldn’t stay ahead of it.

    I eventually quit a week ago. I tested ammonia last Thursday and it was still at 4-5 ppm. I tested it 3 days later and the same. I haven’t tested since early this week so maybe I’ll test again and see if anything is happening.

    I really think I’ll have a do over of the rock and opt for the fully submerged air freight route. Obviously will cost even more money to do this twice but it’s really important to me to start with quality, bacteria filled live rock this time.

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    On another note, these goodies arrived today courtesy of New Wave.

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    Bummer to hear about the delay in the delivery of the live rock.
    Do you know if TBS is still able to ship next-day freight these days? The one day delay may not have such an impact on wet rock, but I would still wonder how the life on the rock would fare with the delay. For how much water is shipped in the bags, there's not a lot of room for heat packs to keep the water temp up.

    Best of luck with this build!!!
     
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    I know TBS does the air freight option but unsure otherwise.

    KP will cut me a bit of a deal on the rock if I opt to try again fully submerged via air freight.

    As you know this is a really important factor to me so I want it to be the best it can and I don’t know the tolerance level of the bacteria to ammonia but it maxed my api kit for several days and was still high last I checked.


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    TBS is down for the foreseeable future. I tried to get rock from them for the 750G
     
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    Well, there's that.

    As of last week, KP was still shipping, so hopefully I can get another shipment.
     
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    I don’t think anything is lost . You get live rocks for the micro life not the macro ones !
    I would keep them in well aerated containers , raise the temp to like 80 F to speed the die offs and change water for the first 3-4 days almost 100% .
    The smell will just go off in a week and everything will be on track.
     
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    So I’m two weeks into it now. I did as you said and changed 100% of the water the first 3-4 days. Twice a day actually. Then went down to large changes once a day. Thursday was the two week mark. Smell has improved for a week or so but ammonia was still at 4 ppm earlier this week.

    I was told with such high ammonia levels as I had, 8+ ppm, the bacteria could also die off. That was according to Philip at KP Aquatics. But I had no way of keeping it lowered, I couldn’t produce water fast enough to stay ahead of it.

    I did get some of the Brightwell Microbacter XLM as you suggested and have used that some too.

    I should test ammonia tomorrow and see if it’s fallen off yet.

    Do you think the micro fauna/bacteria could survive such elevated ammonia levels for perhaps a week or more?

    I also considered ordering just a smaller amount of additional rock to seed back to what I have too. Maybe?


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    @KJoFan - yes micro fauna can survive in worse conditions . Microbacter XLM will help a lot .

    If you have a skimmer lying around , put it to work . Also running carbon will help a lot .
    You really want the cheapest car in you can get in bulk from BRS and run in a reactor and change every day .

    Also provide as much aeration as you possibly can . May be throw in your vortech MP40 there .

    when I was in India and used to reef , I would have Indian Ocean live rocks procured and shipped . But because of strict laws and poor shipping policies coupled with 120F temp , live rocks would reach in newspaper that’s bone dry and smell so bad that the whole apartment complex would know .
    They always come back - sometimes need months but they do .
     
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    So, I ended up getting another 20 lbs of rock from KP Aquatics. I picked it up yesterday and it went in the tank today. It came fully submerged in water this time. It came with a couple red mithrax crabs and a couple pistol shrimp. It also came with a few gorilla crabs I did not put in the tank. We’ll see if more appear. One piece also had a huge feather duster on it but my copperband is enjoying picking at that unfortunately. There was also a small fish on the bottom of the bag, which did not survive.

    I used all the new pieces and a few of the old.

    Up and running! It’s a little haphazard looking as coral placement isn’t finished and I need to thin some pieces out I think. Too much on the sand.

    I have yet to get the Trident going but it’s on the to do list!

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    The original scape that I liked better but was done before the new rock arrived.

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    Just another nightly routine for the emerald crab. He does this every night after lights out.

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    Are those red crabs you mentioned reef safe?
     
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    Yeah, red mithrax are essentially like emerald crabs, but red in color. So, I suppose as reef safe as emerald crabs are. I've never had problems with emeralds, but some say they do.

    The fuzzy gorilla crabs I found, not so reef safe, so they didn't make the cut.
     
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    Tank looks great! I think Abhishek it's almost better to get the rock without some of the macrofauna IMO. Less bad hitchhikers to deal with and you still get the benefit of filter feeders, sponges, and bacteria if all goes well. Good luck with the build!
     
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    Per the vendor's suggestion I dunked each piece of the new rock in 1.040 saltwater for a minute and swished it around. I did this once upon arrival and again the next day before going in my tank. This is meant to drive out the larger organisms (crabs, worms etc) and seemed to work. Was it 100%? Who knows, but seemed to go a long way to help eliminate some from the start.

    It flushed out 3-4 gorilla crabs, two red mithrax crabs, some worms, and a couple pistol shrimp so seemed to do something.
     
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    They are RED!!!
    This is one that I had momentarily before I passed it on to someone else.

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    I had one that was red but very hairy looking
     
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    So things are chugging along. I got the Trident up and running and the light programmed. I was having issues with EcoSmart Live so picked up a WXM module and things have gone better so far. The downside is you can’t just use those preset profiles as easily. I also swapped out two of the Blue+ T5 bulbs for two Coral+.

    I got the auto waterchange feature setup on the SmartAqua AWC/ATO controller. Long term I am planning on a 4g waterchange per week.

    I’m waiting for my inTank media baskets, they are on backorder.

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