The Torch Coral Blues - Guidance & Expertise Welcome

Discussion in 'LPS Corals' started by H2OHOH, Dec 3, 2019.

  1. H2OHOH

    H2OHOH Senior Member
    TCMAS Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    363
    Location:
    Minneapolis
    I have been noticing a not positive trend with my torch corals. My SPS seem to be doing well, encrusting, growing, etc… I have a little island of torch corals in my front left corner, over time they don’t seem to extend as far, and some have barely been reaching out. Some are fine.


    I had a couple awhile back on the right side of the tank on a rock pillar, on kind of the dark side of the pillar, that did the same thing.


    My ph is around 8.2, Alk around 8.4, calc around 420, and mag 1350. Those have been pretty consistent for awhile as I have been testing frequently and watching Apex to get this thing more stable. Rumor has it stability is good.


    My par on the top of tank is probably around 300 and in the bottom corners more around 120. I also target feed Reef Roids about once a week.


    I have an mp40 on both sides of the 80 gallon tank (set on different modes but probably max at around 60%). The torches tend to be closer to the side glass.


    I do a weekly 12 gallon water change, clean skimmer etc. I have been running GFO and carbon since start of tank 1.5 years ago. A week ago, I just took the carbon off. The torches were acting funny prior to this.


    Based on my reading on the interweb, I lean towards maybe not enough light. Or, could my water be too clean?


    Thoughts?
     
  2. Fishfoo

    Fishfoo I contributed!
    Lifetime Member TCMAS Member Meeting Host 2019

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2016
    Messages:
    608
    Likes Received:
    206
    Location:
    Champlin
    What are po4 and no3 levels?
     
  3. VikingsCrazy

    VikingsCrazy I contributed!
    Lifetime Member Event Committee TCMAS Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2018
    Messages:
    841
    Likes Received:
    203
    Location:
    North Mpls.
    I would say your water is too clean.
     
  4. OP
    H2OHOH

    H2OHOH Senior Member
    TCMAS Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    363
    Location:
    Minneapolis
    Just ran some tests

    Nitrate: 0.5

    Po4: 0 this was the API test, after the drops it stayed a clear yellow, no green

    Po4: 0.02 on Hanna
     
  5. Nezw0001

    Nezw0001 I contributed!
    Lifetime Member Event Committee Meeting Host 2018 Meeting Host 2019

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2012
    Messages:
    356
    Likes Received:
    100
    Location:
    west central MN
    Mine are much happier with more nutrients and very little flow (compared to the SPS). Mine are in less PAR than yours. 50-75
     
  6. OP
    H2OHOH

    H2OHOH Senior Member
    TCMAS Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    363
    Location:
    Minneapolis
    Just did par meter, around 120
     
  7. Fishfoo

    Fishfoo I contributed!
    Lifetime Member TCMAS Member Meeting Host 2019

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2016
    Messages:
    608
    Likes Received:
    206
    Location:
    Champlin
    I'd say it's nutrients. 120 par is fine
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. OP
    H2OHOH

    H2OHOH Senior Member
    TCMAS Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    363
    Location:
    Minneapolis
    For those of you that do sps and some euphillia, what kind of nutrients do you have
     
  9. OP
    H2OHOH

    H2OHOH Senior Member
    TCMAS Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    363
    Location:
    Minneapolis
    Thanks. What do you think a healthy balance of nutrients is? I am 90% sps and will continue with a higher ratio? Is my water a little clean for a fishponds Orange Passion and sps in general

    Should I turn off gfo
     
  10. Fishfoo

    Fishfoo I contributed!
    Lifetime Member TCMAS Member Meeting Host 2019

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2016
    Messages:
    608
    Likes Received:
    206
    Location:
    Champlin
    Depends on how much you’re feeding. If there are undetectable nutrients however you feed a lot, there will still be nutrients in the water column for corals to use. I personally keep PO4 .05-.1 and Nitrates ~10 but that’s just what I find works best for me. Many people have success with varying levels.

    I am however a strong advocate against gfo. Again, just my opinion.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  11. DarkSky

    DarkSky Administrator
    Site Admin Lifetime Member Event Committee Meeting Host 2018 Meeting Host 2019

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    1,824
    Likes Received:
    688
    Location:
    Eden Prairie
    Hey, that's me.

    120-180 PAR, moderate flow, 0.18 ppm PO4, undetectable nitrates, but I feed reef chili / reef roids daily.
     
  12. DarkSky

    DarkSky Administrator
    Site Admin Lifetime Member Event Committee Meeting Host 2018 Meeting Host 2019

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2016
    Messages:
    1,824
    Likes Received:
    688
    Location:
    Eden Prairie
    Agree 100%. Nothing but dead SPS when I use the stuff. Never again.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. Uwdanno

    Uwdanno Senior Member
    TCMAS Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2014
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    19
    Location:
    Plymouth, MN
    Enough flow? Mine are happiest with they get pretty blasted with movement.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. Gary

    Gary This all started with "Rivers South Reefkeepers"
    Lifetime Member Meeting Host 2018 Meeting Host 2019

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2007
    Messages:
    1,204
    Likes Received:
    200
    Location:
    Savage, MN
    My parameters are about the same as yours. Except the flow on my 2 MP40's gets up to 90% async for an hour in the evening. In fact I run them async most of the time with different ramps, patterns, and peaks all day. The Aussie Gold likes a lot of flow.

    I put my MP40 profiles out on the Fusion server under:

    Cyclone Reef RH
    Cyclone Reef LH
     
  15. Leicester56

    Leicester56 I contributed!
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2015
    Messages:
    1,198
    Likes Received:
    208
    Location:
    Shoreview
    So, my experience has been this:
    1. Moderate flow. Too much and they get damaged. Too little and they are prone to disease.
    2. PAR under 150.
    3. Purchase large heads, and multiple if you can. Single, small heads have never done well for me.
    4. I also suspect they don’t like GFO, but I have always had too many variables involved to really pin “failure to thrive” on that.
    5. Regarding GFO in general- I did not like my experience with it and doubt I will ever use it in a system again.

    Ca- 440 , ALK-8.4, mag 1440, USG- 1.025.
     
    #15 Leicester56, Dec 5, 2019
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2019
  16. infinityends

    infinityends Senior Member
    TCMAS Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2014
    Messages:
    704
    Likes Received:
    69
    Location:
    Crystal, MN
    I've seen comments on R2R about issues with euphillia not liking GFO.

    I've always had higher nutrient levels even when I was running GFO years ago. I can't remember if I had any euphillia in the tank during that time though
     
  17. Fishfoo

    Fishfoo I contributed!
    Lifetime Member TCMAS Member Meeting Host 2019

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2016
    Messages:
    608
    Likes Received:
    206
    Location:
    Champlin
    Donate your GFO to @Reefking and don't look back
     

Share This Page