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So I am planning to get either a toadstool or torch/frogspawn in the future. Which of these will be easier to raise? I know ray has some for sale and I'm debating about buying them. I am runing 110 watt CF right now in a 20L. In 6-8 months I am going to upgrade to t-5 when the CF bulbs need replacements. What do you guys/gal recommend?
 
Both are pretty easy. Toadstool being the easier of the two though.

With any lps/hard corals you will need to be able to test for and maintain alkalinity, calcium, and magnesium. So be sure you fully understand how to do all that before getting any hard corals.
 
both very hardy, both will do ok under CF and T5, frogs may do better under t5, will definatley look better under t5.

Personal preference and budget might make up your mind here, froggys are gunna cost a few dollars more depending on the amount of heads. Do you want a stationary leather or wavy froggys ?

My personal opinion is Frogspawn defeats Toadstool, it adds to the fun of having corals if you target feed the frogspawns as well.

As David said too tho, frogspawns are a hard coral, make sure you have good calcium/mag levels for it. May need to look into dosing in some manner if you arent already.
 
I have been researching toadstools and gsp as means of natural ways to remove nutrients from the water. I had phosphate and nitrate issues in my 29g biocube and 20l once I added my gsp and it was a large rock when I added it my nutrient levels stabalized. I had a good conversation with Li at swe about this subject as well. I like the ideas of living filters. Fwiw.
 
Frogspawns do their part in filtering as well do they not?

id be happy to hear about your findings tho as i have both a toadstool and medium size GSP rock.
 
ShaneDolan said:
I have been researching toadstools and gsp as means of natural ways to remove nutrients from the water. I had phosphate and nitrate issues in my 29g biocube and 20l once I added my gsp and it was a large rock when I added it my nutrient levels stabalized. I had a good conversation with Li at swe about this subject as well. I like the ideas of living filters. Fwiw.
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To remove nutrients from a tank, you have to remove them, i.e. pulling out chaeto. A gsp won't incorporate too much nutrients in it anyways, in addition the nutrients won't magically disappear, your not removing them from the system like a macro algae. Most likely you got a skimmer upgrade/ clean sand with the switch.

Back to the topic, i'd pick the Toadstool first if I was you. They're more tolerant of high nutrients than the Frogspawn. Get it first, then when you go coral crazy, get some salifert test kits and the Frogspawn :D
 
I am personally convinced of soft coral and nutrient uptake. I have a 120gal that had a large Toadstool for better than 10 years. I never measured any detectable Nitrates or Phosphates in that system, never had algae issues. I removed the large Toadstool (it simply got way too big), and within 2-3 weeks, I started seeing algae growth. Now had measurable Nitrate and Phosphate levels, and over the next few weeks, the levels continues to increase, as well as the algae. Had to install a GFO reactor before things to further out of hand. Too my knowledge, no other changes occurred during this time, other than doubling the number of water changes (yes, I use RO and DI water).
 
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I am personally convinced of soft coral and nutrient uptake. I have a 120gal that had a large Toadstool for better than 10 years. I never measured any detectable Nitrates or Phosphates in that system, never had algae issues. I removed the large Toadstool (it simply got way too big), and within 2-3 weeks, I started seeing algae growth. Now had measurable Nitrate and Phosphate levels, and over the next few weeks, the levels continues to increase, as well as the algae. Had to install a GFO reactor before things to further out of hand. Too my knowledge, no other changes occurred during this time, other than doubling the number of water changes (yes, I use RO and DI water).
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Correlation vs causation..... Sure corals may take up some nutrients, but unless that Toadstool was a significant size, it won't make a dent in nutrients.... For people that use Xenia filters for nutrient removal, do you know big their xenia filter is? They are close to the same size as the display...

macroalgae are more efficient than most corals, micro algae is more efficient than macroalgae, bacteria are more efficient than most microalgae....
 
I run a "dirty" tank but I have had much better luck with my frogspawn than my toadstools. Dont know why, but I go with what works for me. They move in the current, they have a interesting form/texture and I believe that many clowns will host in them if you dont have an anemone. PS: I run T5's.
 
I found both to be very hardy. Toadstool was my first coral and frogspawn was a close second, both started under CF lighting. I still have my original frogspawn colony that is around 10 years old. I like lps corals becuase you get some movement from them and the colors can be really nice.

Ken
 
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