return plumbing silencer? (1 Viewer)

[bzishka]

So I have read a little bit about silencers that make the water rushing into the drain pipe more quiet. does anybody have any ideas? Its pvc pipe and it sounds like an angry drain.

Also does anyone know any fail safes for this same application? as in, "what if my drain clogs?"

landlord probably would like me very much:banana:

 

[RyanTurner]

Research the herbie method. It seems to be the favorite here. I'll take pictures of mine in a bit.

 

[RyanTurner]

This is the pic inside the overflow. The main drain is below the surface of the water, while the emergency drain stays above the water line in case the main drain clogs.

This is under the stand. You can see where the drains come through the top. The main drain is on the left and has a gate valve to control the amount of water inside the overflow. The emergency drain is on the left and has no flow control on it. It is there for emergencies only.

 

[David Grigor]

Yep. Herbie ( do a search here and other sites, also SWE has on display to view as well ) is the way to do with RR tanks. If this is a retro-drilled tank on the back, not sure if Herbie is compatable. If this is NOT a RR factory drilled tank, look into durso standpipe. Not as good as the herbie it's the best plan b option.

 

[data_loss]

I retro drilled my tank on the back and did a herbie, worked out great :fish:

 

[bzishka]

I Took some pics so you guys can see what iam talking about, Iam completely new to drilled tanks. I have always been an overflow guy. Problem occurs when you run out of plugins, anyway this is a 30 breeder with a eheim 1200 lph pump bringing the water in, so far I only run it when iam home. I would like to start using it though and that would in fact mean it would have to run all the time.

 

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[jellob0y]

Man that needs work dont even know ware to start. Do you wont to do it rite or find a way to work with what you have?

 

[David Grigor]

For redundancy you really need two drains. Best to get another hole drilled before you start using it. Perhaps build ( or have built ) an overflow type box from acrylic to place over them much like a RR tank would look.

As is, it's never going to be "landlord friendly".

 

[kieffer_5]

I have the same thing just a single overflow like this. What I did is put a straw on the inside of the overflow pipe to let some air in and rubberbanded it in place. Then cut the straw down to the absolute max as an emergency overflow. It's not at all ideal but it has worked for me

 

[jellob0y]

straw as a emergency overflow lol Don't think it will work. but yes the straw will make it quiet

 

[kieffer_5]

Well if the water gets too high the water will run throw the straw and make a much better suction. Kinda like an emergency overflow

 

[jellob0y]

yes and no if the one overflow plugs there is no way the straw can keep up with the water needs of the tank and will still over flow.

 

[David Grigor]

If the clog or partial clog ( from a snail, fish, or whatever ) below the straw it's completely useless.

I would never use this as is. It's going to need another hole to be sea worthy IMO.

 

[ironman]

If the clog or partial clog ( from a snail, fish, or whatever ) below the straw it's completely useless.

I would never use this as is. It's going to need another hole to be sea worthy IMO.

+1 What you have now is asking for disaster. You really need an emergency drain just incase something clogs the main drain, the emergency drain NEEDS to be able to handle what your return pump is dishing out. You also should install an overflow box of some kind to hide the plumbing, and keep large chunks of stuff and creatures from going down your drain. Also, once you have it set up, cut that drain MUCH shorter.

 

[bzishka]

Man that needs work dont even know ware to start. Do you wont to do it rite or find a way to work with what you have?

i want to do it right with what I have, now lets keep in mind how this tank is already up and running, it is now part of my main tank, when i leave i just shut the eheim off

+1 What you have now is asking for disaster. You really need an emergency drain just incase something clogs the main drain, the emergency drain NEEDS to be able to handle what your return pump is dishing out. You also should install an overflow box of some kind to hide the plumbing, and keep large chunks of stuff and creatures from going down your drain. Also, once you have it set up, cut that drain MUCH shorter.

agreed, I dont need a disaster, I bought this tank pre-drilled glass drilling and me are not friends, iam a woodworker not a glass cutter. i agree with an a drain to stop the pesky critters from escaping but this tank is only going to have 3 wrasses and 1 piece of live rock.

also if i cut that drain shorter then the water in the tank will be low, the water is an inch from the top with the eheim running at full power.

Do I have to drill another hole or can i add an overflow to the tank, not the airlifter kind just the normal one, u shaped tube?



kiefer.. i like ur ingenuity but a straw? lol that will not suffice if you were to have a hose clog....lol

 

[acharpenter]

i want to do it right with what I have, now lets keep in mind how this tank is already up and running, it is now part of my main tank, when i leave i just shut the eheim off

That is not really a solution - sooner or later YOU WILL forget to shut it off and trust me - that's when the disaster WILL happen!

agreed, I dont need a disaster, I bought this tank pre-drilled glass drilling and me are not friends, iam a woodworker not a glass cutter. i agree with an a drain to stop the pesky critters from escaping but this tank is only going to have 3 wrasses and 1 piece of live rock.

It's not about the small amount of livestock you have in your tank - the concern here is the LARGE amount of water you will have everywhere dude

Do I have to drill another hole or can i add an overflow to the tank, not the airlifter kind just the normal one, u shaped tube?

Do you have to drill another hole? - no - would I recommend it? FOR SURE!

I realize it would be a PITA but a day of work for a better/safer system is well worth it IMHO

Pick a date and invite some members over. I would be happy to help you get it together I I know more would be happy to help out as well.....



PLEASE check this thread out - pretty close to the same situation and members got it done in about 5 hours:

http://www.tcmas.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31865


and the result:

http://www.tcmas.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32496


Just think on it dude

We wouldn't steer ya wrong when we are telling you - that tank is a disaster waiting to happen.....

 

[ironman]

FWIW I have a virgin diamond hole saw I am just dying to use. Depending on where you are I could come out and give it a go. Also, if you have a table saw or a router table (with a router of course lol), I could help you make a halfway decent overflow "box". Trust me, the setup you have now is begging for catastrophic failure, no matter how you plumb it.

 

[bzishka]

That is not really a solution - sooner or later YOU WILL forget to shut it off and trust me - that's when the disaster WILL happen!




It's not about the small amount of livestock you have in your tank - the concern here is the LARGE amount of water you will have everywhere dude



Do you have to drill another hole? - no - would I recommend it? FOR SURE!

I realize it would be a PITA but a day of work for a better/safer system is well worth it IMHO

Pick a date and invite some members over. I would be happy to help you get it together I I know more would be happy to help out as well.....



PLEASE check this thread out - pretty close to the same situation and members got it done in about 5 hours:

http://www.tcmas.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31865


and the result:

http://www.tcmas.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32496


Just think on it dude

We wouldn't steer ya wrong when we are telling you - that tank is a disaster waiting to happen.....

never doubted you guys for a second but its easier said then done, Iam in mankato. No one here that i know would drill a tank (considering I have only lived here a year now). I wont drill it myself considering I cant really afford another one right now, Bright side is theres already a hose in it, easy draining:clown:

FWIW I have a virgin diamond hole saw I am just dying to use. Depending on where you are I could come out and give it a go. Also, if you have a table saw or a router table (with a router of course lol), I could help you make a halfway decent overflow "box". Trust me, the setup you have now is begging for catastrophic failure, no matter how you plumb it.

I live in mankato. in a 1 bdrm apartment.....:bawling:

o ya (edited for a ps) P.S. no router, i do have a circular saw and some sweet front steps...

 

[data_loss]

I've got a router if you end up needing to borrow one. I purchased it just to do acrylic work.