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Davy Jones

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Last night, I had my circuit pop in my fish room for some reason. I got alerts, texts and emails that apex was disconnected as I have heartbeat setup. HOWEVER, my phone was on vibrate, so I did not wake up for any of it. On top of that, my EB832 is no longer working after this. None of the outlets are working/turning on. There is the red exclamation mark in the power monitoring section and I can not get it to work. Have tried all the troubleshooting I can find, now just waiting on neptune to get back to me.

So here is where I am at.

OPTION 1. I have 2 20 amp gfci circuits in my fish room (the breakers themselves are gfci). Last night one of the 2 flipped taking my apex offline and thus 90% of the tank. I am looking to increase the redundancy here incase this happens again. I think the easiest solution would be to buy another eb8, and connect half of my equipment to that one, and plug that into the second circuit. This would keep half of the tank running, which is better than none of the tank running. This would cost me 2 Energy bars. (or 3 if neptune cant fix the one I have) as I have 2 apexes and have 2 systems. The downside, is there is no protection for a true power outage. I would still need to get a UPS or Battery backups to take care of the tanks.

OPTION 2. Purchase a large UPS to run the tanks. This option is not very realistic, but still an option none the less. The ups would be very expensive and take up a ton of space to want to run the tanks for say 4-8 hours. I would want to run 3 dc return pumps and 2 heaters minimum

OPTION 3. Find an Automatic transfer switch to allow both tanks to run on both circuits. This way, if one circuit goes down the Transfer switch automatically swaps to the second circuit. I could upgrade to a 30 amp circuit if needed for this option. Issues again are cost, space, and no help during actual power outages.


Here is what I want in light of any of the above options.

1. Some form of loud audible alarm should my tank lose power.
2. Some redundancy should a circuit pop for whatever reason.
3. Some backup power to keep the tanks alive for short/medium periods of time or until I am able to setup a generator if long term outage
4. A way to have notifications come through a device no matter what sound setting it is on.. i.e. If apex is offline, than loud annoying text sound/phone call/email alert etc EVEN IF PHONE IS ON SILENT

Basically if I am sleeping and the tank loses power I want to be awake, AND I want the tank to take care of it self for a period of time until I am able to do something about it.
 
Battery backup for 24v pumps - https://www.amazon.com/IceCap-Battery-Backup-Aquarium-Pumps/dp/B083ZJPZPQ

Simply goes in line between the power brick and the controller. Keep some of your powerheads functioning while the power is out.

I have a simple small battery UPS connected to the same circuit as one of the circuits on my tank. When the power dies, it beeps endlessly and it is pretty loud - I don't have anything plugged into it currently.

There are GFCI outlets with built in audible alarms - https://www.amazon.com/Leviton-GFTA2-W-SmartlockPro-Self-Test-Audible/dp/B01CD4XUIE

or you can get something that does the same thing but plugged into an outlet - https://www.amazon.com/Bewinner-Failure-Indicator-Automatic-Warning/dp/B07P5SGTGR

Something cheaper for aeration if the power dies - https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/usb-battery-powered-dc-air-pump-single-output-cobalt-aquatics.html

If you want to go really high tech, get one of these and put a ton of batteries on it - https://www.amazon.com/AIMS-Power-PWRIC1500W-Continuous-Indicates/dp/B004AAIOJU

You could run pumps and heaters for as long as you had battery capacity. Paired with the alarm (as long as you're not plugging the alarm into the inverter circuit) it'd give you enough time to swap to a gas generator or float through an outage.
 
Super quick run down for what I do/use.
My homes network is running off battery backup. (modem, gateway, all switches) Big enough to give me around 1hr of run time offline. If they lose power, battery backup chirps loudly, along with emailing me a notification, this is a MUST to keep your "communication/notifications working.

I do the same with my tank, I have my (90% of tank) running on a larger battery backup. along with a 2nd smaller one that I have less vital items on (had one laying around). If power is lost, both would give auditable chips, and email notification. Having the optional power adapter on the apex installed and the monitoring turned on...it sends out a notification of a power loss on the apex head unit even though, its being powered from the batteries, it sees the line power is out on the adapter and notifies.

And then test test test.

I didn’t get into installing a transfer switch, which has tempted me many times. But instead, I’ve unplugged my 2 ups from the wall, using a 3 in one 12 gauge extension cord ran a cord out to garage with running generator and ran my tank for an hour as a test run... worked perfect.
 
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4. A way to have notifications come through a device no matter what sound setting it is on.. i.e. If apex is offline, than loud annoying text sound/phone call/email alert etc EVEN IF PHONE IS ON SILENT

Android has that ability - Settings, Apps, APEX Fusion, Notifications.

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Then click the notification(s) you want to override Do Not Disturb (click on the name, not the button on the right).

Click Advanced at the bottom.

Check "Override Do Not Disturb".

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Optionally turn on Vibrate.
 
Android has that ability - Settings, Apps, APEX Fusion, Notifications.

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Then click the notification(s) you want to override Do Not Disturb (click on the name, not the button on the right).

Click Advanced at the bottom.

Check "Override Do Not Disturb".

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Optionally turn on Vibrate.
I have this configured, however the problem lies in whatever setting my audio was during the day/when dnd is turned on.

Yes, my apex notifications will bypass and alert through do not disturb, but if my phone was on vibrate/silent before I went to bed then the alerts come through as vibrate or silent. I was hoping there would be an app or something that would allow sound notifications even when the phone is on silent.
 
Battery backup for 24v pumps - https://www.amazon.com/IceCap-Battery-Backup-Aquarium-Pumps/dp/B083ZJPZPQ

Simply goes in line between the power brick and the controller. Keep some of your powerheads functioning while the power is out.

I have a simple small battery UPS connected to the same circuit as one of the circuits on my tank. When the power dies, it beeps endlessly and it is pretty loud - I don't have anything plugged into it currently.

There are GFCI outlets with built in audible alarms - https://www.amazon.com/Leviton-GFTA2-W-SmartlockPro-Self-Test-Audible/dp/B01CD4XUIE

or you can get something that does the same thing but plugged into an outlet - https://www.amazon.com/Bewinner-Failure-Indicator-Automatic-Warning/dp/B07P5SGTGR

Something cheaper for aeration if the power dies - https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/usb-battery-powered-dc-air-pump-single-output-cobalt-aquatics.html

If you want to go really high tech, get one of these and put a ton of batteries on it - https://www.amazon.com/AIMS-Power-PWRIC1500W-Continuous-Indicates/dp/B004AAIOJU

You could run pumps and heaters for as long as you had battery capacity. Paired with the alarm (as long as you're not plugging the alarm into the inverter circuit) it'd give you enough time to swap to a gas generator or float through an outage.
Thank you for the links to the alarms when power goes out, i will be picking up a couple of those for sure.

Ill probably need to setup a couple ups' and battery backups next. Thanks
 
I have this configured, however the problem lies in whatever setting my audio was during the day/when dnd is turned on.

Yes, my apex notifications will bypass and alert through do not disturb, but if my phone was on vibrate/silent before I went to bed then the alerts come through as vibrate or silent. I was hoping there would be an app or something that would allow sound notifications even when the phone is on silent.

Mine comes through full volume even with DND on.

If you long press on the Do Not Disturb button in the pull down menu, do you see Apex Fusion?
 
Don't know much in regards to circuits/breakers etc but here is what I have set up currently.

Apex with heartbeat, keep an iPad for my tank only and volume on. Apex is the only app with notifications if it is making noises I know there is an issue.

V2 battery back up for return pump. I use a Jebao DCP 3000. it is set to about 1/2 speed and I can get a few hours out of the battery. Can daisy chain them also to double that. (i have an extra one if you want to try it out https://www.tcmas.org/forums/threads/battery-back-up.72067/#post-730628

I also keep an inverter on hand, my house sump pump backup battery (boat/car battery) is near the tank so I can just hook up the inverter to that. Or run an extension cord out to car if that runs out
 

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