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gah! I just typed up a nice length reply only to lose it to the 'back' button.

anyway.

I'd be happy to read any studies you have that indicate climate change, on a global scale, is not occurring. not just news links, actual studies.

I also have to say that marine biologists aren't the best source on this subject. Once they are at a high enough level, they become rather specialized. Best to listen to climatologists when it comes to climate. Not hobbyists, not marine biologists, not friends who've done their research, and certainly not the news or what any petition might seem to indicate.

I think that I have a fairly open mind--non-political, non-critical, etc. Of all the material I've read, the stuff I would consider reputable always says confirms what I've stated.

Also, if you're claiming facts, please cite your sources.
 
wes said:
I think that I have a fairly open mind--non-political, non-critical, etc.
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I'd like to see a citation for a source on that.
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[Supposed ot be funny, if anyone takes offense, I'll delete it]
 
Wes, it doesn't matter how much proof you have, how well documented it is, who says it, how many people say it, etc, etc........ When people have decided they know what's up it's like beating your head against a brick wall... consensus means nothing, expert means nothing, etc., etc......
 
oyam123, yes! good job. the funny thing is that someone is gonna post on this thread about how the world is flat and it doesn't matter how logical of an argument you make against that, the world is flat.

Also, wiki points out that there is a scientific consensus on climate change being caused by man.
 
wolmutt said:
oyam123, yes! good job. the funny thing is that someone is gonna post on this thread about how the world is flat and it doesn't matter how logical of an argument you make against that, the world is flat.

Also, wiki points out that there is a scientific consensus on climate change being caused by man.
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I just wanted you to check out the 911 videos that followed;)
 
wes said:
Best to listen to climatologists when it comes to climate.
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I'd be willing to bet this is what Hawking did.

So when it comes to the issue of him being "right" or not, we're not talking about Hawking making a hunch based on the weather he sees in his backyard, or watching the temps listed on the Weather Channel, or the sensationalist reporting about warming in the press. He's smart enough not to stake his reputation on such sources. Rather, he, as a scientist, knows where to look for the most reliable insight on an issue: the research that's been done in the field of relevance, i.e. climate science. And he recognizes that there is a very significant consensus regarding the issue. I'd challenge anyone to argue that his interest is only in making a buck off of the "controversy", or that he's too stupid to be able to weed through the chaff and find the best source of info upon which to base his opinion.
 
oyam123 said:
Even if its not true....I like this idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI
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I thought you were against action on global warming? This guy is pretty reasonable--he gives extremes without prejudice. Was this guy enough to make you shift?


morty said:
I'd be willing to bet this is what Hawking did.

So when it comes to the issue of him being "right" or not, we're not talking about Hawking making a hunch based on the weather he sees in his backyard, or watching the temps listed on the Weather Channel, or the sensationalist reporting about warming in the press. He's smart enough not to stake his reputation on such sources. Rather, he, as a scientist, knows where to look for the most reliable insight on an issue: the research that's been done in the field of relevance, i.e. climate science. And he recognizes that there is a very significant consensus regarding the issue. I'd challenge anyone to argue that his interest is only in making a buck off of the "controversy", or that he's too stupid to be able to weed through the chaff and find the best source of info upon which to base his opinion.
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Morty, you're all about reasonable thinking. props! For my money, physicists are the most reliable source out there. I wish I could say that without bias...
 
There's no reason to insult me... Where are your scientific facts?!? So you don't think people, marine biologists, that would be viewing the 'effects' of global climate change wouldnt be versed in what is 'happening'?!? Read the coral lists.... Of course there would be a discipline dedicated to global warming, climatologists.

Sorry, just because Carl Sagan says its so I'm not going to buy it....

I side with neither political party as they are both too f'ed up... Politics has nothing to do with it other than his yet another tool to create more government in our lives which is never good. I don't care which universities say that global warming is happening, nor which countries say its so. Why would bureaucrats know anything about anything other than to extract money from their 'constituents'?!?

Again, back to facts, cold water bleaching is happening and its currently 40 degrees in mid May on Mille Lacs.

Flat worlder who takes comfort with my guns and religion....
 
mattb said:
There's no reason to insult me... Where are your scientific facts?!? So you don't think people, marine biologists, that would be viewing the 'effects' of global climate change wouldnt be versed in what is 'happening'?!? Read the coral lists.... Of course there would be a discipline dedicated to global warming, climatologists.

Sorry, just because Carl Sagan says its so I'm not going to buy it....

I side with neither political party as they are both too f'ed up... Politics has nothing to do with it other than his yet another tool to create more government in our lives which is never good. I don't care which universities say that global warming is happening, nor which countries say its so. Why would bureaucrats know anything about anything other than to extract money from their 'constituents'?!?

Again, back to facts, cold water bleaching is happening and its currently 40 degrees in mid May on Mille Lacs.

Flat worlder who takes comfort with my guns and religion....
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If you don't care about a body of research done by a university or even country, where should I get supporting facts? I can't see why independent research would be any less susceptible to corruption. FWIW, I'm really not trying to insult anyone, I don't mean anything I've said to have any demeaning indications.

It's hard for me to believe you have no political belief in this subject because every time it comes up you bring up the "guns and religion" thing, which has nothing to do with this issue as far as I can tell.

I believe that marine biology is an incredibly diverse field, with intense specializations, and that people who do research on the subject may not even concern themselves with the global environment. For instance, someone who studies the polarization of light that stomatopods receive might not have as valid of a background as someone who has spent years studying what we're talking about. BTW, has anyone heard that they(stomatopods aka mantis shrimp) can detect a kind of polarization that no other animal has been known to be able to detect? some kind of spiral polarization, when I get around to it, I really want to look up the physics of it. But that's a whole other (likely much less popular) thread.

Can you link me the coral lists you're talking about? I'm completely up for reading through them anytime.

Believe it or not, I'm not even sure who carl sagan is. Stephen Hawking I know. :)
 
carl sagan is the scientist who made science cool. he could possibly be the fuel of cultural change that in turn created your interest in science. wes, wes, wes.....ok, the movie Contact with Jodie Foster????? carl sagan wrote the book. He wrote many books that talk about exactly what is happening in this forum. He is a personal hero of mine, and soon to be yours I'm sure.
 
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