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[Kepler]

I am doing a rigorous QT procedure for everything going in my tank.

I have a few questions regarding little red bugs/interceptor.

#1 - Do I need to treat all coral with an interceptor bath before going into my tank? Do LRB even hang out on LPS, Zoas, and non-smooth acros?

#2 - What's the best way to approach a vet on this matter. (Getting the interceptor)

#3 - Can you even get interceptor anymore? I have heard that people are having trouble getting it lately. What other safe meds have Milbemycin Oxime?

 

[Kepler]

This is not good! Novartis was the only place that made milbemycin oxime and they stopped production!

Quote from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milbemycin_oxime

Currently, Novartis has halted production of this product and it is unavailable. There is no indication of when production may resume

What else kills red bugs!?

 

[Kepler]

Looks like Novartis is making some newer dog meds that have Milbemycin oxime in it, but they also have other drugs in it. http://www.novartis.com/products/animal-health.shtml

Interceptor is still on their site. So maybe wikipedia is wrong. (Big surprise)

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1-800-PetMeds says "Manufacturer Update: Interceptor will not be available for approx. 3-4 months nationwide."

http://www.1800petmeds.com/Interceptor-prod100142.html?AFFID=GG&ID=159329740

 

[.Marshall]

Interested in what you come up with! Looking at doing the same thing soon..

 

[scubaspew]

1-800-PetMeds says "Manufacturer Update: Interceptor will be available for approx. 3-4 months nationwide."

http://www.1800petmeds.com/Interceptor-prod100142.html?AFFID=GG&ID=159329740[/QUOTE]

You meant to say it will NOT be available for 3-4 months.

 

[Kepler]

Thanks, fixed it

 

[NorthSide Reef]

Koletang, been away for awhile but we used to use Lugol's solution. But I guess I am unsure how effective it is against LRBs I will have to do some searching. I know it works real well on nudibranchs and flat worms.

 

[Kepler]

Koletang, been away for awhile but we used to use Lugol's solution. But I guess I am unsure how effective it is against LRBs I will have to do some searching. I know it works real well on nudibranchs and flat worms.

Thanks for the help :biggthumpup:. I want to get to the bottom of this.

 

[NorthSide Reef]

I am going post this video with a HUGE disclaimer I do not know how well this works but after reading a lot about dipping for LRBs I came across using Bayer Pesticide. I guess a lot of reefers are doing this. Please research it further - I am going to do a lot more reading on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UubUsZ2CSs

most recent thread I could find on it. Dosing amount is not the same as in the video so a lot more research needs to be done

http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/middle-tennessee-reef-club/98708-using-bayer-coral-dip-2.html

a review:

http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?68757-Bayer-Advanced-for-Coral-dip-review-and-conclusion

Long thread about it here on RC:

http://web1.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1965880

Think I am done now

 

[Kepler]

Haha, Thanks!

I posted this on R2R and got this same tip.

I have yet to check out those links. But from a few minutes of looking into it I see two problems.

#1 - There is no way to treat your whole tank
#2 - Smooth skinned acros are the most sensitive to dips and are of course the main targets of LRB. Dipping over sensitive corals in pesticides may not turn out well. :-/

 

[NorthSide Reef]

go to the reef central one. I am about a 1/3 of the way through it and I am convinced this is how I will treat all of my incoming corals. But you're right I would never put this in my tank.

 

[data_loss]

Very interesting thread. Towards the end there is someone testing in tank

 

[Kepler]

Just checked into those Australian Interceptor meds. Turns out they are chewy, non-crushable pills and most likely are counterfeits*.

*From the 4th post of this thread:

If you are buying a prescription med that requires a prescription and they are no requiring a Rx for it, odds are its counterfeit.
The FTC has filed cases against a couple of online pet medication suppliers for selling counterfeit pet drugs. The FDA has sued several others. ICE is starting to embargo shipments from Australia because they were counterfeits. All these had one thing in common, they didn't require prescriptions for the medications although required by law. If anyplace you find tells you they don't need a prescription from the vet, I don;t care how sophisticated they look or how much PR they have on their websites about being legit, just look at what happened in Australia and you'll how sophisticated those counterfeiters have become. It is bad because as they start up they initially provide real medication, soon they start watering it down, next comes doctored medication and finally its nothing but crap being sold to you. By the time you realize, if you ever realize it, your pet has been harmed and suffuring so you can save a buck. Be very careful.

And look. Another store sold out of interceptor. http://www.nationalpetpharmacy.com/search/interceptor

 

[data_loss]

go to the reef central one. I am about a 1/3 of the way through it and I am convinced this is how I will treat all of my incoming corals. But you're right I would never put this in my tank.

Have you researched this any more? I'm thinking about picking some up to try to get rid of some monti eating nudibranchs. Looking for advice on dose strength and which one to pick up.

Sorry Koletang, don't mean to hijack your thread.

 

[Kepler]

Have you researched this any more? I'm thinking about picking some up to try to get rid of some monti eating nudibranchs. Looking for advice on dose strength and which one to pick up.

Bayer only kills "insects". So things with an exoskeleton will be killed. There have been reports of flatworms being killed, but no 100% evidence. For flatworms use CoralRX or Revive. Although it will not kill the eggs.

I started a thread on R2R about the dosage of Bayer per gallon of water. The thread has gone no-where fast. I'll bump it and see if I can get some attention.

Sorry Koletang, don't mean to hijack your thread.

No problem.

 

[data_loss]

The really long thread on reefcentral has numerous posts of flatworms and nudis being killed. I just finished the thread last night. I'm buying some today to start a dipping regimen to try to rid my tank of the nudis and will probably be dipping every coral I get with Bayer from now on as my standard treatment.

I have dipped these monti eating nudis in CoralRx and it didn't really even seem to phase them :swear:

 

[David Grigor]

I know for sure Lugols is not adequate. Back before interceptor became the med of choice. Lugols was the best we could do. It will stun them and kill some but not 100% effective. A few weeks to month later you will see the red bugs on the colonies again.

 

[David Grigor]

I've read through the first couple of pages and then the last one.

The beauty of the interceptor was it treats the whole tank at once. Since that is not an option, one will never truly know if your tank is 100% treated.

This is my only concern. I understand interceptor is now harder to get so may be the only option.

This for sure makes it even more important that all your acros be on it's own rubble rock that is then mounted to your main rockwork by your choice of methods. I personally prefer to use the 3/16" airline tubing and the maiun structure drilled to match or use a larger hole, place putty in it and while still curing stick one end of 3/16" tubing in it to make the hole without drilling. Wait 30 minute or so to fully cure and then mount your coral in the hole. It can be easily taken in and out of the tank for regular dipping during this process.

 

[NorthSide Reef]

Have you researched this any more? I'm thinking about picking some up to try to get rid of some monti eating nudibranchs. Looking for advice on dose strength and which one to pick up.

Sorry Koletang, don't mean to hijack your thread.

Sorry for such a late reply Data, I guess the best answer I can give is I did read that entire thread, and believe there is enough anecdotal evidence to suggest that the Bayer will kill LRBs and AEFWs. But I myself have not used this method since I am not setup for livestock yet.

When I am setup though every coral I receive will undergo this treatment. I think enough people have gone through with this and except for a couple folks there have not been any losses. so it appears to be safe, as long as you follow the guidelines. I wish I could be of more help. Please start a thread and post your results. I am going to be very interested in how this turns out for you.

I know for sure Lugols is not adequate. Back before interceptor became the med of choice. Lugols was the best we could do. It will stun them and kill some but not 100% effective. A few weeks to month later you will see the red bugs on the colonies again.

Yeah, unfortunately I have been gone awhile so I do not know anything about interceptor. As far as a new system goes though I think this Bayer dip looks pretty promising

 

[David Grigor]

Just so long as you don't let your acros encrust onto your main structures. Being able to pull them out for close inspection, fragging, dipping is a must IME.