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So after ALOT of reading that RC thread. I have come to this conclusion:

Recipe - .5ml per 2 cups of tank water.
Type - Bayer Complete Concentrated (not the germ control one)
Time - 10 minutes Max. 5 minutes min. I dip for about 7 minutes.

Note: The time in the dip is more dangerous than the dip potency. You can burn the corals if you leave them in to long, but it take a lot more to burn the corals by adding too much bayer.

Also, be careful with the corals. Don't shake them too much or blast them with the baster too hard. A few people had problems with their corals getting bruised from that. (The corals ended up fine, but it took them a while to open up)

I have used this method and the corals are doing great.
 
After reading the entire thread on reefcentral I got a much different impression. It's been a couple weeks since I read it but I thought the general consensus was with the Bayer Complete you should be doing 10ml per 2 cups?
 
data_loss said:
After reading the entire thread on reefcentral I got a much different impression. It's been a couple weeks since I read it but I thought the general consensus was with the Bayer Complete you should be doing 10ml per 2 cups?
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Are you sure that was not the guy who was testing the uppermost amount of Bayer that could be used? (He kept dipping with more and more until his corals got burned as a test)

Before that guy started his expirements, there were a lot of people using .5ml per 2 cups and had photos of it killing LRB.

IMO, if .5ml works, then there is no good reason to use 10ml.

Now if you want to use this for AEFW, then I think that guys higher dosage was needed for a surefire way to kill the AEFW. On another note. Someone on there dipped with Bayer and Revive at the same time and the AEFW were dropping like flies.
 
I think the people that were dipping at .5ml were using the Home Pest plus Germ Control not the Advanced Complete Insect Killer. I could be wrong, I've been doing a ton of tests with this to work on a different pest so I haven't been thinking about it from a redbugs / AEFW's perpsective.

See here though. I actually prefer the Home Pest plus Germ Control because it mixes up clear which makes it much easier to see everything.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20855978&postcount=578
 
Steve you have it right I posted a quick synopsis near the end of that thread because it is so confusing with all of the different dips and amounts used.

Northside Reef said:
I am researching this myself, but I think I can paraphrase the best results (anecdotal evidence wise) and hopefully that will help.

Reading this thread can be confusing, and I have spent the past two days reading the entire thing. There are three key points of confusion.

What type of Bayer is being used?

How long do you dip the coral per type of Bayer being used?

How much do you use per type?

From my readings there seems to be one common theme. the type of pesticide the OP used appears to be the most effective with the least concentration. He and ousnakebyte are mixing 4ml of the Bayer Advanced Home pest and Germ Killer with 1/2 Liter of tank water and dipping for 15 minutes.

Others using this same ratio found the Bayer Advanced Complete Insect killer was not as effective in killing LRBs or AEFW. However they have found a ratio of 10 ml per 120 ml of tank water for 5 minutes will work the same.

I think it's very important to chose your ratio and dipping time based on the product you're using.


ousnakebyte said:
Well, it looks like I now get to join the AEFW club. At least, I think these are limited to the quarantine tank - I hope. I will be vigorously checking acros in the display over the next few months.

I have been using Ivermectin to control Red Bugs, so I don't have any of those - just the flatworms, at this point.

I didn't take any pics of the corals, but this is what I found that fell off about 15 frags/small colonies:

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I used three different mixes, but about the same ratios of concentration:

- 4mL per 1/2 liter or 8 mL per 1 Liter (~0.25 gallons)
- 80mL per 2.5 gallons (~10 Liters)
- 160 mL per 5 gallons (~20 Liters)

Dipping time was about 15 minutes.


This is the product I used:

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I will update if I lose any corals.

Now, I have to deal with the eggs, which I have seen on the corals and frag plugs. I'm thinking of just cutting away the coral from any rocks/plugs and scrubbing any questional specks. Is that what others have done?

Whisperer - I can't thank you enough for posting this information.

Cheers
Mike
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flamron said:
cjtice - Here is what I'm using: http://www.buyhardwaresupplies.com/?t=5&m=g1&itemNumber=7269343

Bayer Complete Insect Killer

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flamron said:
It did not work for me. Perhaps the concentration or dosage was too low? The flatworms seemed entirely unaffected in the

Dipped some more test pieces today in the Bayer Insecticide.

I amped it up to 5ml in 1/2 cup for the first dip. I tested a red planet frag and a tricolor frag. Dipped for four minutes. The flatworm appeared to be dead, so I dumped the water out and then rinsed the frags with tank water. I pulled the frags out and put them back into the tank. I went back a few minutes later and the flatworm was moving again! These are some resilient little suckers!

For the next test, I doubled the dosage to 10ml in 1/2 cup. I used a $500 efflo and pink lemonade frag for test pieces. I dipped for five minutes and then pulled the frags out, rinsed, and then refilled the cup with fresh water to see if the flatworm would come back to life. After ten minutes - no movement! I conclude that, as long as the frags survive, that this will be a very effective treatment.

Color is good and all pieces have as much polyp extension as they did before the dips.

My plan is to dip every five-six days, depending on how the corals respond. I've got to pick up a couple containers at Walmart to dip in. They are the big round 16g containers. For $7 bucks, they should work pretty well to dip in. I'll probably pull the MP10 off of the 40B so I have some flow in there as well.
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data_loss said:
I think the people that were dipping at .5ml were using the Home Pest plus Germ Control not the Advanced Complete Insect Killer. I could be wrong, I've been doing a ton of tests with this to work on a different pest so I haven't been thinking about it from a redbugs / AEFW's perpsective.

See here though. I actually prefer the Home Pest plus Germ Control because it mixes up clear which makes it much easier to see everything.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20855978&postcount=578
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I like the Bayer complete because it has way more B-cyfluthrin or whatever it is called. It was suspected that the B-Cyfluthrin is the LRB killer.

Using .5ml per 2 cups is plenty clear. I can imagine that 10ml would be cloudy.

I was referring to Vincent's post --> http://web1.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18579427&postcount=139

On page 7 someone asked what everyone was using. Quite a few people said they were using the Complete. http://web1.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1965880&page=7

But the germ killer worked at .5ml per 2 cups for the OP.

Could you post the link to where there was a consensus on the dosage that you were talking about. I got to about P.16 when my eyes where bloodshot LOL.
 
I dipped a birdsnest colony from cherry corals in bayer. I saw some suspicious reddish things on the dead part of the skeleton so I went crazy with the bayer. Not AEFW, not LRB. I am guessing some other kind of flatworm like red planaria.

I dipped 10ml per cup and added an extra 10ml shot. (it was either 4 cups and five 10ml shots or 5 cups and six 10ml shots. Can't remember. :/ ) Dipped for 10ish minutes.

I then took it out and inspected/rinsed it. I still noticed some suspicious specks on the dead skeleton. So I threw it back in the dip. And added 4 more 10ml shots. :nuts: (dipped for another 10 minutes) I also put some *pure* bayer on the dead skeleton.

I then cut off the dead base area of the colony (dead from lack of light at the bottom). The darn thing broke into three chunks so I glued/zip-tied them to a big piece of rubble.

The polyps were out two days later and all is well. I have to agree with what they were saying in that R2R thread. The corals seem to not notice or care about the bayer. (while they slime when in other "natural" dips)

The birdsnest was too big to fit with the rest of the cherry corals order so I dipped it separately. The rest got dipped in bayer as well. (corals include trachy, acros, monti, acan, zoas, hammer, duncan, etc.) I started with 5ml per two cups. About 3 minutes into the dip I poured in more bayer kind of eyeballing the color. That's right... fearless. :nuts:

I took them out after 10 minutes. They are all looking fine about a week later. Some have colored up more than others, but that could also be do to other factors. (ie. adjusting new AI Sols, waiting a week for Alk to drop to calculate dosing in the new tank, etc.)

That being said. I love bayer! :biggrin:

I am going to stock up on this stuff. (You never know if they could change something in their formula so I will be prepared.)
 
I have been researching an "in tank" replacement for interceptor.

So far ivomec (spelling) might be a solution. In a vet journal I found an article where it was done successfully to treat red bugs. The dosing was .75ml/l. I am very tempted to try this. It will kill pods, crabs, shrimp, snails, starfish, ... Basically all inverts.

I found one thread on reef to reef where some one dosed 2 ml/l. It was not good, most things died, including fish. He was trying to kill AEFW. He did not succeed...

I will updated so learn more.

Oh, I am working with a vet so I am not completely shooting in the dark....
 
Interesting.

You may want to research what breaks it down. ie., Bayer breaks down in high light and water. Perfect for us. :agree:
 
All corals that have been dipped in bayer are still looking great. :biggthumpup: All have great PE and color.

No adverse effects. Bayer is now my dip of choice.
 
I am waiting for the ivomec. Some how the us post office missed Minnesota and has it in north Dakota...

I hope it will be the new in tank treatment.
 
I was able to get interceptor from my local vet about a month or so ago, I used it on my tank and eliminated red bugs. Its still out there!
 
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