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How much is that sucker going to weigh?

http://www.amazon.com/Shoulder-Doll...r=8-1&keywords=shoulder+strap+appliance+mover
or
http://www.amazon.com/Teamstrap-Mov...r=8-3&keywords=shoulder+strap+appliance+mover


From what I recall about your place, it will be a straight shot in from the yard back to where the tank goes. Set up saw horses to set it on in front of the stand and carry it in with a strap or suction cups and set it on those to rest, then heave it onto the stand.

If I were closer, I'd be there just to see how big this thing really is. I'll watch the thread for a date you are going to move it, if I can make it, I'll contact you.
 
Carry it is going to break a lot of backs and not to mention maneuvering is going to be a nightmare. its not the same as moving a 24" wide tank. the bottom glass will shift the weight to one side and make it very side heavy. plan to have someone keep that side stable if tilting sideways (sorry havent read the entire thread)
Where possible some mechanical help will save a lot gentle words and sore/stif broken backs
 
LowersMyBP said:
How much is that sucker going to weigh?

http://www.amazon.com/Shoulder-Doll...r=8-1&keywords=shoulder+strap+appliance+mover
or
http://www.amazon.com/Teamstrap-Mov...r=8-3&keywords=shoulder+strap+appliance+mover


From what I recall about your place, it will be a straight shot in from the yard back to where the tank goes. Set up saw horses to set it on in front of the stand and carry it in with a strap or suction cups and set it on those to rest, then heave it onto the stand.

If I were closer, I'd be there just to see how big this thing really is. I'll watch the thread for a date you are going to move it, if I can make it, I'll contact you.
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Is there someplace that rents those suctions cups?

Also what is the weight of this thing?

If I am available count me in on helping move it. If I can help Manish dig post holes I can help move a tank :)
 
I've talked to folks who have moved similar sized tanks, got a good plan together.

I've got some lines on suction cups, will be getting some. Generally speaking the move is straight in. All goes well we'd be moving the tank ourselves 30ft at most - in a straight line basically. No stairs, hallways, corners etc.

@ James- generally I don't see those straps working well. Just easier ways or doing it.

@ Frank- 800lbs pretty much spot on.

Ship date of the tank is 10/22. They blew up the bottom tempering the tank, set things back 2 weeks.
 
I have a pair of Woods 8" glass suction cups and they are only rated for 125# each. The Woods 10" are rated at 175#.
 
Wow, 800 lbs.

I would think that even with 4 suction cups, this tank is too heavy. No? (is the math really as simple as 800/4 = 200 pounds, each suction cup rated for up to 175)

At 800 lbs, you may have a boggle. The doorway limits the number of hands on it, at least on one end at a time. I helped carry taklu's tank in, we did that with suction cups, one person on an end. It was difficult going through the doorway with any more people hanging onto the tank so it ended up being just two of us doing it. That tank can't have weighed much more than 300-400 lbs. At 800 lbs, it might take more than 2 people just to move it off the ground. I would worry about the suction cups letting loose. All of the straps I linked maxed out at 600-700 lbs. You may well need a dolly of some sort like you suggested.

Sounds like you have a plan. Myself, I might be building platforms with something similar to these things:
http://www.menards.com/main/home-de...-swivel-gray-tpr-caster/p-1940393-c-13090.htm
One for inside, one for outside.

Make sure your wife runs the camera for youtube, I want to see how this goes down if I am not there.

Also, rental places have these cups. Maybe there is one closer to you.
http://www.55rental.com/equipment.asp?action=category&category=24&key=024-0023

Vince at ocean devotion used to have a set that he rented out, I don't know what happened to them.

I also know a guy that has a set, not sure if they would be available to lend out for sure, however.

Good luck, man.
 
Those glass tanks, are they supposed to have anything under them like wood and Styrofoam?

If it is going to be delivered on a skid can we just put some steel tubes down the length of the skid and carry it that way?


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Frank, it has to go through the door on one of its long sides as it is 36" front to back and we have established that the doorway is only about 34.5 inches wide. One side is gong to be much heavier than the other! We had to do that with taklu's tank too. Lots of pressure on the suction cup closest to the bottom pane, not so much on the other. Which only adds to the weight problem(if there is one) with respect to those suction cups.....
 
so we take the roof off and lower it it in by crane :)

yeah, I agree it's going to need a cart something with casters like you linked. Even with those suction cups you can only get it to the door then it would need to be transferred onto something since you can't walk it through the door.
 
marty9876 said:
Busy in two weeks? :)
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Wish I wasn't. I'm in the process of removing, repairing water damage, and installing large windows frames with large pieces of insulated glass in my house. Its going to be a long haul with just me doing the work. Three days of rain didn't help any.
 
You guys realize I plan **** for a living basically? Additionally, I'm one of those anal guys who likes to plan out things to the nth degree... Like the deflection of the 2x4 temporary supports is .14" across 96" span- well in the acceptable range... ? :)

Da plan v. 1.2
- Skid steer it off the trailer to the front concrete sidewalk, 45ft left to go
- 10 guys ideal, 8 guys doable
- 4x guys along each side (think pallbearers) with the 2 biggest guys on each end. 80-100lbs per guy excluding shock loads at that point, well manageable
- Un-crate, rotate the tank over to 4x guys. 2x guys on the ends. 4x guys use the suction cups (usable loading is 100lbs a cup max) attached to the not exposed bottom to get handholds under the tank
- once up, willing wife removed suction cups (can't fit through door with them)
- Walk to front door
- Big guy on end goes through
- Next 2x guys peel off, remaining 8 guys move forward 2-3 ft, guys go around to other side of door (garage entrance) and grab hold. Always having 8x guys on the tank
- Repeat for all the remaining side guys
- Bring tank into living room with pre-setup temp stand (2x4's/2x6's and sawhorses rated to 2500lbs)
- Wife attaches cups
- Lower down left side, guys on right use cups to control rotation to bring tank flush straight down on temp stand
- Once on temp stand, rest
- From there cups on right side (stand side) with 2x guys on each side to bring the tank onto the stand itself
- Crab walk the tank onto the stand
- Eat free food

Alt plan 8 guys- 4x on each side, use the saw horses as a temp place to set the end of the tank on as feed it through the doorway

Recommended surface for the stand is styrofoam (white, ships with the tank)
 
marty9876 said:
I've talked to folks who have moved similar sized tanks, got a good plan together.

I've got some lines on suction cups, will be getting some. Generally speaking the move is straight in. All goes well we'd be moving the tank ourselves 30ft at most - in a straight line basically. No stairs, hallways, corners etc.

@ James- generally I don't see those straps working well. Just easier ways or doing it.

@ Frank- 800lbs pretty much spot on.

Ship date of the tank is 10/22. They blew up the bottom tempering the tank, set things back 2 weeks.
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Having surplus hands and suction cups will not help when going through that door... when my tank was taken down.. four people had a very hard time squeezing through the door.

If its going to be a straight in deal, with maybe a door to leap... plan on using dollies or something similar.. use all the manpower to move the tank from transportation to dollies, to push and to its finally display place. (I really dislike saying resting place.,. as it will be coming alive from there on :D).. carrying it even 5 feet will be a verrrrrryyyyy tiring thing on the arms joints, feet.. lower back.,, bah every single muscle and joint in the body. you may need some ramps along the way

James has already mentioned it and I cannot emphasize enough how much the weight shifts when the bottom glass goes up on the side and what happens to all the folks carrying the weight.. after all these years very thankful for James and Clint (from DA) and others helping with the move... but cannot forget the feeling where it almost was never a tank that would be never be setup, the first time they decided to move it on its side... the weight almost broke a few wrists.

So far I like Franks idea best.. take some of the roof off and ...... lol
 
marty9876 said:
You guys realize I plan **** for a living basically? Additionally, I'm one of those anal guys who likes to plan out things to the nth degree... Like the deflection of the 2x4 temporary supports is .14" across 96" span- well in the acceptable range... ? :)

Da plan v. 1.2
- Skid steer it off the trailer to the front concrete sidewalk, 45ft left to go
- 10 guys ideal, 8 guys doable
- 4x guys along each side (think pallbearers) with the 2 biggest guys on each end. 80-100lbs per guy excluding shock loads at that point, well manageable
- Un-crate, rotate the tank over to 4x guys. 2x guys on the ends. 4x guys use the suction cups (usable loading is 100lbs a cup max) attached to the not exposed bottom to get handholds under the tank
- once up, willing wife removed suction cups (can't fit through door with them)
- Walk to front door
- Big guy on end goes through
- Next 2x guys peel off, remaining 8 guys move forward 2-3 ft, guys go around to other side of door (garage entrance) and grab hold. Always having 8x guys on the tank
- Repeat for all the remaining side guys
- Bring tank into living room with pre-setup temp stand (2x4's/2x6's and sawhorses rated to 2500lbs)
- Wife attaches cups
- Lower down left side, guys on right use cups to control rotation to bring tank flush straight down on temp stand
- Once on temp stand, rest
- From there cups on right side (stand side) with 2x guys on each side to bring the tank onto the stand itself
- Crab walk the tank onto the stand
- Eat free food

Alt plan 8 guys- 4x on each side, use the saw horses as a temp place to set the end of the tank on as feed it through the doorway

Recommended surface for the stand is styrofoam (white, ships with the tank)
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- its not a quick thing to take off a suction cup and reattach it (but Im guessing you meant Wife de-attaches cups)... takes time..needs a lot of thumb power; maybe carry the saw horses along so its easy to set the tank "down" when a break is needed?
- Plan for 75-100 pounds on the "top" side and 175-200 pounds on the "bottom" side of the tank. As mentioned before tank becomes very side heavy once it goes side up. more guys on the bottom side... its a long tank so should not be a problem.
- Once inside the door I hope there is room for the lead pallbearers to carry the tank from its side.. otherwise for a few short moments plan on only expecting four to six guys actually bearing the weight of the tank (or dollies ;))
- add free drinks after the free food :p

- Alt plan - 4x guys on each side wont work.. not enough shoulder room (assuming thats what you had in mind); also plan on two folks to stabilize the heavy side with this option... tank will be carried at waist level with arms fully extended.. the top will tilt very easily. simply put as long as carrying the tank is the plan.. have atleast two guys supporting the bottom side at the top so wont twist and break wrists. (sorry, cannot emphasize this enough as I have a vivid recall and yours is a wider tank - FTB)
- One more thing.. maybe you already measured it.. is there enough vertical room through the door... if the pallbearers carry the tank at an average waist level (stronger guys are also usually taller)?

dunno if this will work but I will throw it out there.. three of us weak backed guys moved a 180G all the way from the garage to its final spot sliding it over instant ocean buckets... all the way!
- pull it out of the van on to buckets, keep sliding over several buckets until its completely set.
- slide the tank over the buckets, keep moving buckets from the rear to the front as they become available
- I had to get it up three steps.. it required two guys pulling it up slightly while the third and strongest with a little more helping hands kept it from sliding away from the buckets or the buckets tripping.

Well you get the idea....
 
marty9876 said:
I've talked to folks who have moved similar sized tanks, got a good plan together.

I've got some lines on suction cups, will be getting some. Generally speaking the move is straight in. All goes well we'd be moving the tank ourselves 30ft at most - in a straight line basically. No stairs, hallways, corners etc.

@ James- generally I don't see those straps working well. Just easier ways or doing it.

@ Frank- 800lbs pretty much spot on.

Ship date of the tank is 10/22. They blew up the bottom tempering the tank, set things back 2 weeks.
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is it a floating bottom? wondering why they are having to temper it?
 
Vashjir said:
Rock weight would be my guess.
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Miracles has been in the business for a while so they know what they are doing... I'm just curious. to my mind tempering would be counter productive if pinpoint weight was the issue... also I thought that tempered glass works best when set vertically...sigh more reading for later.

I still intend to setup the larger tank one day so this is a good build thread for me.. only of the OP posted more details... lol
 
I have moved a lot of heavy stuff by myself over the years. I'm a big fan of using a dolly and/or sliding. If you have a skidsteer (with forks) available you could set the tank on a dolly and wheel it to the front door. Or better yet use the skidsteer to get it to the front door and then you don't have to lift it. Position some plywood over the door threshold, MDO works great with its smooth paper/resin finish. You may want to lay down a blanket or something to have between the tank bottom and the plywood to help it slide but sometimes this actually can make things worse. Slide the tank through the door and your in. Your still going to have to lift it at some point but that's a lot easier than having to carry it.

My tank was over 500# and my wife and I got it into the house by ourselves using this method. I was able to position my Bobcat so I could slide the tank off the forks onto a raised wood platform and then slide it straight through the door onto a dolly (no lifting to this point). Rolled it over to the stand and (with my wife, son and daughter helping) lifted it onto the stand. PS: I made a pallet that was 8' long and had a smooth top. This made it easy to move the tank with the forks and it was easy to slide the tank on and off of the pallet. I could not get close enough to my front door but I was able to slide a couple of feet of tank off the pallet to bridge the gap and reach the front door landing without any problem.
 
1000's of 8' tanks have been installed across the country, I'm pretty confident this will get done.

Boldly going where many have gone before.
 
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