It does sound like ich, so action to set up a hospital tank and treating with copper, hypo, or tank transfer should be done ASAP. I'm not sure what the eye issue is, but it could be a secondary bacterial infection from the ich.
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When described as 'mossy' I thought it sounded more like velvet, but I do not diagnose well, Kyle looks at disease photos more than I do. I'd post a photo for him. From what I recall, velvet treatment is formalin dips. I was hesitant to post this line of thinking lest it confuse and/or distract, I apologize if it does so.
Alternatively, cloudy eyes sure sounds like flukes which could have stressed out the fish and lead to the ich.
Good luck.
Alternatively, cloudy eyes sure sounds like flukes which could have stressed out the fish and lead to the ich.
Good luck.
When ich starts attaching to the eyes of fish frequently the eyes will cloud up from the excess mucus/scar tissue of the parasite borrowing in. Jumping to conclusions/adding antibiotics in a display tank is a bad idea.
Don't spend much time worrying about about it being velvet, they'd be dead already.
Don't spend much time worrying about about it being velvet, they'd be dead already.
This sounds correct. I have never seen or had experience wih ich getting to this point with the eyes, but it does make sense.
If it were velvet, the fish would be dead already. Velvet kills quickly. Also, copper is used to treat velvet. Formalin dips are used to treat brook.
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tang is down as of yesterday.
have two maroons left and wrasse
have two maroons left and wrasse
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yea im pretty sure the last 3 are going down hill fast within prob 24 hours one maroon is swimming upside down and bother are covered in this bs. and the wrasse is picking at them.
The UV is going to do nothing other than keep the ich population slightly lower before the infection got this bad. Now it is way to late.
To the OP, I hope when you restock this tank you QT each and every fish before adding them to the display. It is a harsh lesson, but no one can do anything now really.
cubetankguy
its hip to be square
also you MUST wait 6-8 weeks if i remember correctly, and let the parisite life cycle take its course otherwise you will go through this again
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two clowns are down. all thats left is Wrasse
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does ich effect inverts? so far peppermint and cleaner shrimp, snails ,crabs seem fine
Ich has no impact on inverts. They are fine to stay in the tank. Keep feeding them to keep your bacteria levels stable. You do need to remove the wrasse if he survives.
If you still have some carcasses, run them through FW DIPS to see what falls off. You added a harptail blenny and a sailfin on 2/21. That appears to have upset the applecart, moreover I would suspect something other than ich came in on one of those two fish. That then caused some problems and exploded into a visible ich outbreak.
Just my opinion here, but people always think it is just ich because that is all that they can see, I will continue to believe that ich alone isn't the killer, it is just the most salient visual cue when things go bad. I'm not trying to argue and if anything what I am saying is even more support for QT tanks for new purchases. FWIW, I also consider 'underfeeding' to be a chronic illness (I am not saying in this case in particular). Underfeeding, coupled with some stress can then lead to an ich outbreak and take out your fish. All they 'really had was ich', but the underfeeding was the underlying problem that left them susceptible to ich. Again, my only point is, I don't think ich is the killer people make it out to be, it is just all that can easily be seen and identified. What is it that I have heard, "healthy fish don't die from ich" or something like that. I am free to have this opinion, I know others that have been in the hobby longer than some of us have been alive that use the same rule of thumb....doesn't mean it is right, or wrong. It is very hard to be certain of anything in this hobby.
Sorry for your losses.
If you still have some carcasses, run them through FW DIPS to see what falls off. You added a harptail blenny and a sailfin on 2/21. That appears to have upset the applecart, moreover I would suspect something other than ich came in on one of those two fish. That then caused some problems and exploded into a visible ich outbreak.
Just my opinion here, but people always think it is just ich because that is all that they can see, I will continue to believe that ich alone isn't the killer, it is just the most salient visual cue when things go bad. I'm not trying to argue and if anything what I am saying is even more support for QT tanks for new purchases. FWIW, I also consider 'underfeeding' to be a chronic illness (I am not saying in this case in particular). Underfeeding, coupled with some stress can then lead to an ich outbreak and take out your fish. All they 'really had was ich', but the underfeeding was the underlying problem that left them susceptible to ich. Again, my only point is, I don't think ich is the killer people make it out to be, it is just all that can easily be seen and identified. What is it that I have heard, "healthy fish don't die from ich" or something like that. I am free to have this opinion, I know others that have been in the hobby longer than some of us have been alive that use the same rule of thumb....doesn't mean it is right, or wrong. It is very hard to be certain of anything in this hobby.
Sorry for your losses.
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Myclang
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fully agree LowersMyBP... I've always had the same motto: "Ich is a symptom of a much bigger issue". "don't just treat the symptom".....It's just too bad BamBam didn't have a QT/HT ready in time. Always sucks to see buddies so far away in need.:biggthumpup: great advice LMBP!!
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thanks for the input everyone.
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big water changes?
even have a need to run skimmer with no fish (one)
even have a need to run skimmer with no fish (one)
cubetankguy
its hip to be square
this is a hobby filled with more opinion than fact