Reefkings new year resolution! (1 Viewer)

[Reefking]

I believe it's been a great 2015. Here are my goals for 2016.

trade...trade..trade

It feels like there may be an inner circle that trades within TCMAS. It would be great if we could get coral trading among a greater group of members. It would be fun to require a member to trade 1 time per the year; however, that is not realistic. The fun part of this hobby is fragging corals and trading/sales. It would be healthy to remove the financial aspect of corals, which would benefit all hobbyists. Wasn't there a show that competed on trading up, which could be applied to corals. A friendly trade up competition. Everyone starts with green star polyps.

 

[Bschowa]

A better resolution would be to become an active member and actually contribute to conversations rather than stir the pot, this would automatically put you in the so called "inner circle" of members.

There is no real "inner circle" it is more just members that assert themselves and meet new people. Very easy to join and there is no fee. Just show up to meetings and share or absorb knowledge from other fish nerds/nerdettes just like you. Who knows maybe you will even have some fun!!

 

[Reefking]

A better resolution would be to become an active member and actually contribute to conversations rather than stir the pot, this would automatically put you in the so called "inner circle" of members.

There is no real "inner circle" it is more just members that assert themselves and meet new people. Very easy to join and there is no fee. Just show up to meetings and share or absorb knowledge from other fish nerds/nerdettes just like you. Who knows maybe you will even have some fun!!

I think finding super glue gel at $4.73 pack qualifies!

 

[Bschowa]

I think finding super glue gel at $4.73 pack qualifies!

Yes, that one was good, see you are already off to a good start. and build threads are good as well.

With continued good quality posts like that or helping other members you might find people to trade with.

for me after you started a post asking for tax advice, then later stated you were an irs agent out to audit any of us who posted in said thread you ruined any chance to ever buy sell trade or receive a free frag from me.
To be completely honest you have pushed me to completely stop selling things or giving things away in this forum, I now strictly buy things via pm and only trade and sell with members that I know and trust when they post or ask for something I have.

I realize now that contradicts my previous statement that there is no inner circle... But who caused that.

 

[a1t2o]

A better resolution would be to become an active member and actually contribute to conversations rather than stir the pot, this would automatically put you in the so called "inner circle" of members.

There is no real "inner circle" it is more just members that assert themselves and meet new people. Very easy to join and there is no fee. Just show up to meetings and share or absorb knowledge from other fish nerds/nerdettes just like you. Who knows maybe you will even have some fun!!

FYI, there is definitely an inner circle. Maybe more of a clique than an inner circle, but the point is that the club lays groundwork that limits who is allowed to join. How does that not meet the definition of an "inner circle". Not everyone is able to or cares to attend meetings in person. Maybe we like the community, but not the leadership. Or maybe we live just outside of the cities and feel like we are being discriminated against because of where we live.

Point is that you are wrong when you say that there is no inner circle. You may not see it because you are a part of it, but it definitely exists and creates an unhealthy mentality that leads to excluding outsiders until they have paid their dues.

 

[RSnodgrass]

New Year's Resolution might involve my 10yr old self reminding me that what I type/read can as easily be read in an angry tone as much as it can be in a perverted one. (o;

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[RSnodgrass]

BTW I'm up for trades most always!

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[BlacknBlue2]

This would be just another Reefking pot stirring post. I will say this though, I started the SW addiction in 2013 when I went to see Jason at Minnetonka Petco. I bought my setup from him and he introduced me to TCMAS. I then signed up for free and decided I wanted full access to the forums and paid the money necessary to get access. Their is no groundwork as to who can join, I live in Ellsworth,WI and I am a member of the events committee I got my lifetime membership after I worked my *** off at the spring swap and I continue to do so since I enjoy the hell out of it. You say you don't like the leadership?? So step your happy *** up and contribute, lets see what you got?? Its easy to talk smack while sitting behind a computer screen, the events committee is always looking for help to do workshops, speaker events, the frag swap. Get involved instead of stirring up trouble.

 

[RSnodgrass]

This would be just another Reefking pot stirring post. I will say this though, I started the SW addiction in 2013 when I went to see Jason at Minnetonka Petco. I bought my setup from him and he introduced me to TCMAS. I then signed up for free and decided I wanted full access to the forums and paid the money necessary to get access. Their is no groundwork as to who can join, I live in Ellsworth,WI and I am a member of the events committee I got my lifetime membership after I worked my *** off at the spring swap and I continue to do so since I enjoy the hell out of it. You say you don't like the leadership?? So step your happy *** up and contribute, lets see what you got?? Its easy to talk smack while sitting behind a computer screen, the events committee is always looking for help to do workshops, speaker events, the frag swap. Get involved instead of stirring up trouble.

On a side... I've been fairly absent the last year or so and open to lending more of a hand this year. Partly why I'm hosting a meeting so keep my name if you're looking for specific help I might be able to. However be advised that my grammar is terrible if it involves typing!

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[a1t2o]

You say you don't like the leadership?? So step your happy *** up and contribute, lets see what you got?? Its easy to talk smack while sitting behind a computer screen, the events committee is always looking for help to do workshops, speaker events, the frag swap. Get involved instead of stirring up trouble.

Not trying to stir up trouble, just voicing my concerns and pointing out that saying "there is no inner circle" is false. As far as stepping up, I have already said that I live too far out to be there reliably for any meetings, plus I have a kid that is about to turn one that is more worth my time. I also do not want to be the center of attention, I would just appreciate it if I would not be marginalized based on my meeting attendance. This hobby is about the reef tanks, not the politics and get-togethers that the club seems to be focused on. If I could contribute in what way I am able and enjoy the online community as well as being somewhat local, then that would be great and I would be so happy, but that's not what is available. That is my point, not to cause trouble or to piss people off, but to ask why can't we do things a little different to make thousands of people happy rather than just the 50 or so that show up to vote for exclusivity.

Also, in my experience it is the person with the bigger mouth that tries to force everyone to do things their way (vocal and assertive) that will win in a vote over someone sensible that tries to plan ahead. Leadership goes to the emotional, not the logical. That's why I never had any interest in any elected position. Charisma always beats ability when it comes to groups.

 

[acharpenter]

Also, in my experience it is the person with the bigger mouth that tries to force everyone to do things their way (vocal and assertive) that will win in a vote over someone sensible that tries to plan ahead. Leadership goes to the emotional, not the logical. That's why I never had any interest in any elected position. Charisma always beats ability when it comes to groups.

It is sometimes difficult to convey true meaning in written form. Keeping that in mind, I want you to know that your statement above, in its current state - has me very offended. Not just for myself but for the BOD as a whole. Perhaps I am misreading it but I dont feel your thoughts on leadership in this instance apply to myself or the rest of the BOD.

All this back and forth on the forum threads, , meetings, bylaws has been addressed MANY times over the last 4-5 years. People complain every time about living too far or dont think they will make a difference so they cant or dont attend the meeting. Doesnt really make a difference why you cant or dont attend the business meeting.

No matter who attends and who doesn't - it IS up to the members at that meeting to make changes to TCMAS that some of you are complaining about. Until then - nothing changes as usual - same as every year drama comes up about this very same thing - every single year.

It also has nothing to do with Reefking indeed, stirring up the pot - again.

Reefking - the BOD as a whole has allowed you to voice your opinion over and over on many topics you dont agree with so that you and the members can have a discussion and get an overall sense of how members feel about different topics you bring up - however, it has become very clear that you are constantly attempting to troll the club and it's members and I am tired of it.

We have been receiving complaints about your behavior and at this point - I am tired of your arguing, threatening and trolling.

Please stop

 

[a1t2o]

It is sometimes difficult to convey true meaning in written form. Keeping that in mind, I want you to know that your statement above, in its current state - has me very offended. Not just for myself but for the BOD as a whole. Perhaps I am misreading it but I dont feel your thoughts on leadership in this instance apply to myself or the rest of the BOD.

All this back and forth on the forum threads, , meetings, bylaws has been addressed MANY times over the last 4-5 years. People complain every time about living too far or dont think they will make a difference so they cant or dont attend the meeting. Doesnt really make a difference why you cant or dont attend the business meeting.

No matter who attends and who doesn't - it IS up to the members at that meeting to make changes to TCMAS that some of you are complaining about. Until then - nothing changes as usual - same as every year drama comes up about this very same thing - every single year.

I am saying that you are vocal and assertive while I am more logical. That means that when it comes to a vote, I would never win regardless of who could do a better job. Therefore I have always know that there is no point in me even trying for a position like that and I have grown accustom to it. I am not saying anything about your ability, just that the outcome is decided before that is even factored in.

If there has been so much controversy, then wouldn't your efforts be better off trying to find a way to make things better for the masses you are turning away rather than trying to explain yourself and enforce your opinions year after year? It seems from your statement there that you are being stubborn and ignoring everyone else outside your circle that thinks that this club could be so much more.

The point I was trying to make is that maybe there is a place for both in person meeting to make decisions and online voting for the direction of the club. I know you like it where there is a smaller group so that you are able to take control of the meetings and move them along better, but allowing more people to have input would really help the club. Right now it feels like you are saying that we can talk in this controlled environment where you can close it down if it starts to get out of control, but our opinions really don't matter since we cant make it to enough meetings and no one is holding enough meetings close enough for us to attend.

 

[acharpenter]

Incorrect - if you attended the meetings you would be aware - none of these issues are MY or the BOD's decision. They are all decided by the members by votes at the business meeting.

The BOD cannot overrule these decisions. Am I allowed to voice my opinion and thoughts - of course, as is everyone else - but that is as far as the extent of any "Control" you seem to think I have over these things.

I would suggest you actually look into these things before assuming I have some sort of massive authority your referring to here.

As far as looking into ways to make the club better - you also are completely unaware of all my efforts both here and behind the scenes. Until you actually know what your talking about - I would appreciate if you didnt try to spout out incorrect statements regarding my efforts.

 

[mnmuskyman2011]

I am saying that you are vocal and assertive while I am more logical. That means that when it comes to a vote, I would never win regardless of who could do a better job. Therefore I have always know that there is no point in me even trying for a position like that and I have grown accustom to it. I am not saying anything about your ability, just that the outcome is decided before that is even factored in.

If there has been so much controversy, then wouldn't your efforts be better off trying to find a way to make things better for the masses you are turning away rather than trying to explain yourself and enforce your opinions year after year? It seems from your statement there that you are being stubborn and ignoring everyone else outside your circle that thinks that this club could be so much more.

The point I was trying to make is that maybe there is a place for both in person meeting to make decisions and online voting for the direction of the club. I know you like it where there is a smaller group so that you are able to take control of the meetings and move them along better, but allowing more people to have input would really help the club. Right now it feels like you are saying that we can talk in this controlled environment where you can close it down if it starts to get out of control, but our opinions really don't matter since we cant make it to enough meetings and no one is holding enough meetings close enough for us to attend.

The problem with online voting is that someone has to bring an issue up for a vote at the business meeting. Then there is a discussion about it, and if the person still wants to ask for a vote, it is voted on. We don't know what people will bring up at the meeting until the meeting happens so we can't put it out there for an online vote.
Also, any member is welcome to attend the business meeting and have a voice even though they don't have voting rights.

 

[Uwdanno]

Winter is coming

 

[reeffamily]

hate to say it but some people get up in the morning just to stir the pot. look where this thread got to. bashing the club, members. it's hard to find a thread with bashing not somewhere in it or totally off topic. would be really neat if everyones resolution is to just be nicer on here and have fun. these kinda threads are just useless in my opinion but that's just me

 

[a1t2o]

The problem with online voting is that someone has to bring an issue up for a vote at the business meeting. Then there is a discussion about it, and if the person still wants to ask for a vote, it is voted on. We don't know what people will bring up at the meeting until the meeting happens so we can't put it out there for an online vote.
Also, any member is welcome to attend the business meeting and have a voice even though they don't have voting rights.

Sounds like an excuse someone once said as a reason to keep online voting from taking place, and now people are just using it without trying to find a way around it. I have heard it before almost word for word and not from you. There are plenty of "hot button" items that you know will be on the agenda ahead of time that have major effects on the whole club. You could have those votes online, or you could have the meeting to decide what will be on the ballot and have an online voting that is only open for a limited window (to discourage non contributors from spamming their votes on issue they do not understand.) There are plenty of ways around that excuse, but its used because the people in charge don't want the voting to take place online and that excuse is the one that sounds best.

 

[mnmuskyman2011]

Sounds like an excuse someone once said as a reason to keep online voting from taking place, and now people are just using it without trying to find a way around it. I have heard it before almost word for word and not from you. There are plenty of "hot button" items that you know will be on the agenda ahead of time that have major effects on the whole club. You could have those votes online, or you could have the meeting to decide what will be on the ballot and have an online voting that is only open for a limited window (to discourage non contributors from spamming their votes on issue they do not understand.) There are plenty of ways around that excuse, but its used because the people in charge don't want the voting to take place online and that excuse is the one that sounds best.

Wow, all I can say is wow. Once again, the people in charge (the BOD) didn't make up these rules. The members who put in the effort to show up at the business meetings did. There are 10 or 15 members who make the effort to attend the business meeting every year because they are passionate about the club and the direction this club takes. There are about another 10 or 20 Who show up here and there. That is the problem, there are not enough members who care about this club enough to get to the meeting to have their voice heard. Most people go with the flow and don't care much about the club and there are a few who would rather rip the club apart than put any effort into fixing it.

There is plenty of ways for you to get access to the classifieds as well. But you don't want to put in the effort.

 

[Omen]

Sounds like an excuse someone once said as a reason to keep online voting from taking place, and now people are just using it without trying to find a way around it. I have heard it before almost word for word and not from you. There are plenty of "hot button" items that you know will be on the agenda ahead of time that have major effects on the whole club. You could have those votes online, or you could have the meeting to decide what will be on the ballot and have an online voting that is only open for a limited window (to discourage non contributors from spamming their votes on issue they do not understand.) There are plenty of ways around that excuse, but its used because the people in charge don't want the voting to take place online and that excuse is the one that sounds best.

You asked me in the other thread if I thought you were not as dedicated because you were unable to attend meetings because of family and other reasons. And I'm going to be honest with you there are many opportunities to become a member. To be frank with you and this is my personal opinion and not that of the club but yes you are not as dedicated as others and the reason is because others have the same lifestyle as you do and they still put in more effort choosing to either attend a meeting or purchase a membership.

And I do feel like you're one of those Member at only pop up once in awhile and only say things from the top of your head without having any logical reasoning behind it or any factual data to back it up. There are many people on this forum and and members who volunteer their own time to put meetings together, to attend meetings and to help at the swap and expect nothing back in return.

I'm not saying this to be mean I'm just saying it because you asked me in the other thread about this and I'm just being honest with my opinion.

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[a1t2o]

Wow, all I can say is wow. Once again, the people in charge (the BOD) didn't make up these rules. The members who put in the effort to show up at the business meetings did. There are 10 or 15 members who make the effort to attend the business meeting every year because they are passionate about the club and the direction this club takes. There are about another 10 or 20 Who show up here and there. That is the problem, there are not enough members who care about this club enough to get to the meeting to have their voice heard. Most people go with the flow and don't care much about the club and there are a few who would rather rip the club apart than put any effort into fixing it.

There is plenty of ways for you to get access to the classifieds as well. But you don't want to put in the effort.

Its pointless for me to get access on my own since there are so few people active anymore. Also, I fully understand that you have no more vote than any other member that shows up, but who makes the details for the issue that is voted on, who decides how to implement the rules? Who leads the discussion and sets the tone for how the matter is discussed. The BOD has authority and can make a huge difference in this discussion, you can have a new proposal to do things differently where I would get ignored or told to leave. I have no say since I am not a full member, and even if I was, nothing would change unless I brought 5-10 friends with me. Even then, it probably wouldn't make a difference.

You say there are 20-35 people that show up to these meetings when it was 40-50 a couple years ago? Shouldn't that be a red flag right there? Things are going down hill and maybe you should try to do something to increase the number of people the give a crap about the club. If all you have is repeated excuses and declining numbers then you might want to start looking for new ideas.