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And what did you decide on?
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And what did you decide on?
2x ATI Powermodule 48" Hybrids
48" x 8 54w T5 with the 3x 75w LED's. Shipping one now and back ordered one 2-3 weeks. Not sure if they will fit in the alcove but will make it work...
Tough decision, really went round and round on this one. Mitras would have been cool, could have started with fewer units (less expense) but I'm guessing would have needed to add more fixtures over time (equal or more expense)
At the end, no way can go wrong with the ATI fixtures is the thinking. Unholy amount of light should be helpful. Some what less expensive to run than MH, somewhat more expensive to run than LED alone. Missing some features of Mitras but nothing successful tanks have been run w/o for decades.
Tough decision, really went round and round on this one. Mitras would have been cool, could have started with fewer units (less expense) but I'm guessing would have needed to add more fixtures over time (equal or more expense)
At the end, no way can go wrong with the ATI fixtures is the thinking. Unholy amount of light should be helpful. Some what less expensive to run than MH, somewhat more expensive to run than LED alone. Missing some features of Mitras but nothing successful tanks have been run w/o for decades.
Do we see a 180G frag tank in the basement in your future? I mean, you have the light for it already....
And the pumps... Tunze 6105 x2 and Jebao WP-40 x2. Ordered a second set of Jebao WP-60's for the 450g, not happy with the flow in there yet.
I'm not thrilled with the depth of the 180 for a frag tank, I'd most likely make a tiered egg crate shelf system for frags. I'd then move the 4x t5 unit on it now ($80 shop light deal) to the 75g fuge and ditch the mh which is on it now. Until then I'm going to use the 180 to stage fish for moving the rest of the dorks into the 450g.
I may get an honest frag tank some day, honestly it wasn't the easiest thing getting the tank into the room. Might be there for some time
Awesomeeee, be sure to let us know how you like them, there isn't much for consumer reports on them yet, I might even have to stop by and check them out after you get them running! I am leaning towards a new 60" ATI LED Powermodule for my future build.
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Few updates:
Main Pumps- Pulled the Iwaki 100 off the system, using the PanWorld PS200 as primary return and Jebao DC12000 to run the ATS/75g/180g tanks. Saving ~ 300 watts at least from this change. I'm not thrilled with the output of the PanWorld but it's mostly likely a case of I just think bigger is better.
Got all the crap from the various moves cleaned up, what a mess that all was.
Current sump/pumps:
Powerheads- Pulled the Tunze 6105's out and now running 4x WP-60's in the take. Running off the Apex I'm cycling which pumps run when (running in constant modes when on). Back left/front right, front left/back right, both right, both left, all on combos. So far pretty happy with the results.
Lids- Due to wanting more humidity in the house (winter, new born with dry nasal passages) I went from full glass lids to full screen tops (v 1.0) to half glass/half screen tops (v 2.0). Did the full screen thing then it got cold out so the heaters kicked on, thinking the half/half approach might be a nice balance between evaporation, light penetration, maintenance and heat retention.
v 1.0
v 2.0
Mounting plates- screwed some plated to mount the light power supplied/power head stuff/Apex stuff. Pretty happy how that works.
Stand- I need to get this thing skinned, feeling a little ghetto.
PO4 control- I'm pretty happy with the dosing pump/Lanthanum setup. Only downside is needing to change a 10 micron sock every two days.
Camera- I still suck at it. I even played with the ISO/white balance/brightness. Best I came up with so far below.
Next steps:
Mixing station- Wife is letting me take over the furnace room too! Woot!!!!! What a great fish wife I have. Figured it's about time I did this up right. Ordered a 165g poly tank for salt water, will move my 175g poly tank into the furnace room and do up a nice mixing station with another Jeabo DC12000 I think. Be nice to have the space back in the fish room the 175g poly tank is taking up.
Automatic Water Changing: Ordered a Stenner 100DMP4 dual head peristaltic pump and will run via Apex. Figure I'll start changing 5-7 gallons a day. I don't like doing water changes... Ties into the mixing station, fill it up and let things rip.
Skimmer: Talked to Bill Wann and got pricing on a 48" tall 12" diameter skimmer. Spendy. Cool part would be to run the drains from the tanks directly into the skimmer (pull out the junk before hits the sump) plus dose Lanthanum and have the skimmer pull that. Basically no mechanical filtration needed. Between auto water changes and skimmer doing mechanical filtration things get really maintenance free. I've toyed with the ideas of modding the SWC250 I have with a bubble blaster pump, getting Franks monster Beckett skimmer, picking up a Reef Octopus 5000, modding another monster skimmer (Reef Mania 2x Sendra pump deal) I have with bubble blaster 10000 but they all seem to be so-so solutions. Dwell time and the ability to run all overflows into the skimmer/not have mechanical filtration really floats my boat today.
Lights- should have my 2nd fixture in a week or so hopefully, once I have those up will go nuts on the coral front.
Pics:
Main Pumps- Pulled the Iwaki 100 off the system, using the PanWorld PS200 as primary return and Jebao DC12000 to run the ATS/75g/180g tanks. Saving ~ 300 watts at least from this change. I'm not thrilled with the output of the PanWorld but it's mostly likely a case of I just think bigger is better.
Got all the crap from the various moves cleaned up, what a mess that all was.
Current sump/pumps:
Powerheads- Pulled the Tunze 6105's out and now running 4x WP-60's in the take. Running off the Apex I'm cycling which pumps run when (running in constant modes when on). Back left/front right, front left/back right, both right, both left, all on combos. So far pretty happy with the results.
Lids- Due to wanting more humidity in the house (winter, new born with dry nasal passages) I went from full glass lids to full screen tops (v 1.0) to half glass/half screen tops (v 2.0). Did the full screen thing then it got cold out so the heaters kicked on, thinking the half/half approach might be a nice balance between evaporation, light penetration, maintenance and heat retention.
v 1.0
v 2.0
Mounting plates- screwed some plated to mount the light power supplied/power head stuff/Apex stuff. Pretty happy how that works.
Stand- I need to get this thing skinned, feeling a little ghetto.
PO4 control- I'm pretty happy with the dosing pump/Lanthanum setup. Only downside is needing to change a 10 micron sock every two days.
Camera- I still suck at it. I even played with the ISO/white balance/brightness. Best I came up with so far below.
Next steps:
Mixing station- Wife is letting me take over the furnace room too! Woot!!!!! What a great fish wife I have. Figured it's about time I did this up right. Ordered a 165g poly tank for salt water, will move my 175g poly tank into the furnace room and do up a nice mixing station with another Jeabo DC12000 I think. Be nice to have the space back in the fish room the 175g poly tank is taking up.
Automatic Water Changing: Ordered a Stenner 100DMP4 dual head peristaltic pump and will run via Apex. Figure I'll start changing 5-7 gallons a day. I don't like doing water changes... Ties into the mixing station, fill it up and let things rip.
Skimmer: Talked to Bill Wann and got pricing on a 48" tall 12" diameter skimmer. Spendy. Cool part would be to run the drains from the tanks directly into the skimmer (pull out the junk before hits the sump) plus dose Lanthanum and have the skimmer pull that. Basically no mechanical filtration needed. Between auto water changes and skimmer doing mechanical filtration things get really maintenance free. I've toyed with the ideas of modding the SWC250 I have with a bubble blaster pump, getting Franks monster Beckett skimmer, picking up a Reef Octopus 5000, modding another monster skimmer (Reef Mania 2x Sendra pump deal) I have with bubble blaster 10000 but they all seem to be so-so solutions. Dwell time and the ability to run all overflows into the skimmer/not have mechanical filtration really floats my boat today.
Lights- should have my 2nd fixture in a week or so hopefully, once I have those up will go nuts on the coral front.
Pics:
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Fish:
Sohal tang is being a prick, not too bad yet but I'm having 2nd thoughts about things. Only been in a week, see how they all settle down. Semilarvatus Butterflyfish eats the Frogspawn (and any aiptasia in the tank now!)
Current fist list:
Emperor Angel
Queen Angel
Regal Angel
Blue Line Angel
Multicolor Angel
Potters Angel
African Flameback Angel
2x Flame Angels
Blonde Naso Tang
Purple Tang
Desjardini Tang
Achilles Tang
Power Blue Tang
Sohal Tang
Cheveron Tang
Magnificent Foxface
Blue Midas Blennie
Starry Blennie
Flame Hawk
Flame Wrasse
Semilarvatus Butterflyfish
2x Indian Ocean Lyretail Anthias
Not sure if I've going to put more in or not. A bunch of dither fish might help, school of chromis (which don't school, or shoal, or live without killing each other) or 6-8 female Indian Ocean Lyretail Anthias are on the top of the list. Goldflake Angel & a Chrysurus Angel are still on the maybe pile, doubt I could get them in/have success long term with the current dork population.
Sohal tang is being a prick, not too bad yet but I'm having 2nd thoughts about things. Only been in a week, see how they all settle down. Semilarvatus Butterflyfish eats the Frogspawn (and any aiptasia in the tank now!)
Current fist list:
Emperor Angel
Queen Angel
Regal Angel
Blue Line Angel
Multicolor Angel
Potters Angel
African Flameback Angel
2x Flame Angels
Blonde Naso Tang
Purple Tang
Desjardini Tang
Achilles Tang
Power Blue Tang
Sohal Tang
Cheveron Tang
Magnificent Foxface
Blue Midas Blennie
Starry Blennie
Flame Hawk
Flame Wrasse
Semilarvatus Butterflyfish
2x Indian Ocean Lyretail Anthias
Not sure if I've going to put more in or not. A bunch of dither fish might help, school of chromis (which don't school, or shoal, or live without killing each other) or 6-8 female Indian Ocean Lyretail Anthias are on the top of the list. Goldflake Angel & a Chrysurus Angel are still on the maybe pile, doubt I could get them in/have success long term with the current dork population.
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Tank turned out awesome. Great work!
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I have never been able to get a skimmer to do a good job of pulling all the LACl precipitate out. It will be interesting to see how you new skimmer fairs doing this or are you going to have the skimmer output go through a 10 micron sock as well?
How did you know the skimmer wasn't pulling it out? Collect in sump/tank or around propellers? Just looking to get an understanding on how you know it wasn't working.
I'm torn on skimmer selection. The studies we have show basically any skimmer will pull out certain proteins (BSA) and other TOC stuff it's basically hit on miss on what actually can stick to a air bubble. Bill indicates he was running LaCl for about a year and a half with no collection in the skimmer body, inject the LACl upstream of the skimmers input. My hope would be to not run socks, if I had to then I wouldn't go that large of a skimmer.
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I did not get any precipitate in the skimmer but I had run it for about three weeks and had some film build up in the tank. I put socks back in the sump returns and one on the skimmer output and was shocked to see how much was collected in the skimmer sock after 2 days. I think the bubbles and churning inhibit the deposition of precipitate in the skimmer.
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Supgirlspike
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WOW!!! Another beautiful tank!
This sucks. ATI changed the LED configuration between the 1st light I received and the 2nd light so now I have mis matched lights. We really should be allowed to swear in the tank build sub forum.
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Just photo shop them 